Nate Diaz and Jake Paul agreed to fight in MMA for rematch in PFL

[jsbx45]

the Nevada State Athletic Commission got them all, which is amazing

Seems like it was a sting operation or something, LOL. That hammer came down hard.

 

[woodsideQ]

This.
I don’t believe Jake would fight in an actual MMA fight without some hidden contractual stipulations.

submission smust be released after 3 seconds.

 

[woodsideQ]

Seems like it was a sting operation or something, LOL. That hammer came down hard.

they could also just not fight in Nevada right?

 

[6 Pack Lapadat]

If there was ever a high level mma guy Jake could beat, it would be Nate. He doesn’t kick. He’ll never go for a takedown, and if he does, his takedowns suck.

All Paul has to do is box him up and not follow Nate to the ground if he drops him

You make good points. Nate is not a kicker, he prefers to throw hands, and his takedowns are not great.
I would still favor Nate in an MMA fight, however, if Jake wants a big name for his MMA match (and he does ) Nate is likely a big name that style wise fits what he is looking for.
Nate also is middle aged and not where he once was.
Again, I’d still favor Nate, but Jake needs an opponent who matches well style wise and also will sell PPVs.

 

[jsbx45]

they could also just not fight in Nevada right?

I don't know how the PFL and/or other commissions are handling the suspensions. Haven't paid too much attention to the PFL to this point, but that is changing...

 

[wwkirk]

Even before Jake Paul dominated Diaz for nearly 10 rounds in boxing... Jake Paul was offering to face Diaz in MMA. Diaz was hesitant of accepting the MMA offer, however, after he lost in dominating fashion to Jake Paul... Jake Paul offered it again and Nate accepted.



The bout is to take place in the PFL as Jake is responsible for the PFL super fight league.

EDIT: Adding a poll; who wins in MMA between Paul and Diaz?

Paul's side: Younger, faster, stronger, has a good wrestling background, and showed far superior boxing to Nate Diaz. He probably has been training MMA for a while now too (at least a few years).

Diaz's side: Far more experienced, fought way higher level stars in MMA, and even a washed Diaz can tap out Jake Paul.

WHO WINS?!

So, should we begin respecting Jake Paul now? He manned up and fought Tommy Fury, a legit boxer. Now he's trading in his 10 oz gloves for 4 oz.

Should we say that he's taking an unorthodox route to becoming a serious fighter that enables him to make big bucks even from the start?

 

[JacJeanFinger]

PFL can match Jake with Jose Ramirez. Cause he wouldn't deserve Diaz.

 

[Necrocrawler]

Good debut for Paul

Diaz is gonna do what?
Flying guillotine?

Dude had 0 wrestling in his whole career

And unless he Hurts Paul due to the small gloves, this fight wont go to the ground

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

You make good points. Nate is not a kicker, he prefers to throw hands, and his takedowns are not great.
I would still favor Nate in an MMA fight, however, if Jake wants a big name for his MMA match (and he does ) Nate is likely a big name that style wise fits what he is looking for.
Nate also is middle aged and not where he once was.
Again, I’d still favor Nate, but Jake needs an opponent who matches well style wise and also will sell PPVs.

Indeed. Jake is set up for any outcome excuse wise. If he loses, he goes on and on about how he’s just a YouTuber. If he wins he does the same (though his ego has gotten a bit bigger than that recently).

we all know the truth of the matter is that he’s a naturally athletic kid that’s been training for years with a top notch team / trainer, while carefully selecting very winnable matches against post prime legends. I hope he loses in embarrassing fashion. But once again, I think he’s picked the perfect opponent to up his odds of winning big time.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Good debut for Paul

Diaz is gonna do what?
Flying guillotine?

Dude had 0 wrestling in his whole career

And unless he Hurts Paul due to the small gloves, this fight wont go to the ground

This is so weird that people keep saying this. How many of you guys have actually trained before? It is so weird how on sherdog people think MMA fights comes down to blast doubles and things like that.

This is his VERY first fight. First off your gullotine thing - you do realize that if they are clinched, which they will be, he very easily could lower his head by accident and get caught in a gullotine. That isn't unlikely at all, he is a beginner, Nate Diaz is a 15 year black belt.

When Diaz was pressuring Paul, it led to a lot of clinches. In boxing that is a good way to get away from pressure. In MMA that is a good way to end up on the ground. It literally just takes a minor mistake to end up on the floor, and Jake might not even register he's made the mistake until it is too late.


That is not to mention if Jake gets Nate on the ground and thinks to naturally go for a punch while Nate is on the ground, he might overextend himself and get caught in his guard. If you think "why would he do that, he'd never do that because he knows Nate is a blackbelt" - ...it happens all the time with veterans of MMA, this is his very first fight.

Nate could literally pull guard if he wanted to. He probably won't because he likes to fight, but if he wanted to, he certainly could and he would probably beat Jake off his back.


If Nate hurts Jake he can take the fight to the ground. This isn't exactly a super rare scenario. Nate does not have to absolutely rock Jake, he just has to hit him enough to the point where Jake overreacts and his defense crumbles. Even if Jake is not knocked down, if he folds over and exposes his neck after a combination then Nate can grab his neck for a darce, ninja or gullotine choke.



Guys get submissions in MMA without wrestling backgrounds. I have no idea why everyone thinks that anyone with 2 years of high school wrestling can just stop guys with way better submission games. BJJ absolutely dominates reigonal level MMA, they run into problems at levels that are much higher than Jake Paul (lol).




Again, this is Jakes VERY first fight. He is fighting a guy who has fought a ton of people who are ranked incredibly high in the UFC. There are levels to MMA just like in boxing. Why do you think 0-0 fighters, even with incredible NCAA backgrounds do not veterans their first fight? Sometimes Bellator pushes prospects who have way more experience than Jake Paul too soon and have them fight against a journeyman and they lose.


Nate Diaz would beat Jake Paul. If Jake Paul had shown the ability to knock Diaz out then I could buy it, but Jake Paul getting a decision after 25 minutes? I really doubt it. Jake has nowhere to run, he can't clinch, he will likely gas from the constant offense, he doesn't know what to do in terms of grappling. Only thing Jake has is size and better foot speed, but we already know he can't knock Nate out in boxing.

 

[woodsideQ]

How has Jake gamed the system? Not sticking up for the guy, but just curious what you mean by this?

weight classes, number of rounds, PED testing, hydration

 

[Necrocrawler]

This is so weird that people keep saying this. How many of you guys have actually trained before? It is so weird how on sherdog people think MMA fights comes down to blast doubles and things like that.

This is his VERY first fight. First off your gullotine thing - you do realize that if they are clinched, which they will be, he very easily could lower his head by accident and get caught in a gullotine. That isn't unlikely at all, he is a beginner, Nate Diaz is a 15 year black belt.

When Diaz was pressuring Paul, it led to a lot of clinches. In boxing that is a good way to get away from pressure. In MMA that is a good way to end up on the ground. It literally just takes a minor mistake to end up on the floor, and Jake might not even register he's made the mistake until it is too late.


That is not to mention if Jake gets Nate on the ground and thinks to naturally go for a punch while Nate is on the ground, he might overextend himself and get caught in his guard. If you think "why would he do that, he'd never do that because he knows Nate is a blackbelt" - ...it happens all the time with veterans of MMA, this is his very first fight.

Nate could literally pull guard if he wanted to. He probably won't because he likes to fight, but if he wanted to, he certainly could and he would probably beat Jake off his back.


If Nate hurts Jake he can take the fight to the ground. This isn't exactly a super rare scenario. Nate does not have to absolutely rock Jake, he just has to hit him enough to the point where Jake overreacts and his defense crumbles. Even if Jake is not knocked down, if he folds over and exposes his neck after a combination then Nate can grab his neck for a darce, ninja or gullotine choke.



Guys get submissions in MMA without wrestling backgrounds. I have no idea why everyone thinks that anyone with 2 years of high school wrestling can just stop guys with way better submission games. BJJ absolutely dominates reigonal level MMA, they run into problems at levels that are much higher than Jake Paul (lol).




Again, this is Jakes VERY first fight. He is fighting a guy who has fought a ton of people who are ranked incredibly high in the UFC. There are levels to MMA just like in boxing. Why do you think 0-0 fighters, even with incredible NCAA backgrounds do not veterans their first fight? Sometimes Bellator pushes prospects who have way more experience than Jake Paul too soon and have them fight against a journeyman and they lose.


Nate Diaz would beat Jake Paul. If Jake Paul had shown the ability to knock Diaz out then I could buy it, but Jake Paul getting a decision after 25 minutes? I really doubt it. Jake has nowhere to run, he can't clinch, he will likely gas from the constant offense, he doesn't know what to do in terms of grappling. Only thing Jake has is size and better foot speed, but we already know he can't knock Nate out in boxing.

TL DR (honestly, u lost me at the "duh, i train bro do u?" crap)

All i can say is... if this fight happens:

BET ON DIAZ BY SUBMISSION

Simple as that... Odds will be good and, if this is a lock, why not? Anyway... Be sure that i will have a Parlay at Paul.

 

[Necrocrawler]

weight classes, number of rounds, PED testing, hydration

Those things can actually change the results of the fight IMO.

 

[TrueBias]

nothing is going to happen until contracts are signed. it would be embarrassing for mma if nate would lose. he better not fucking lose if they do fight.

Agreed like a motherfucker.

But this is a diaz. Theyve had flashes of...what, greatness? Just like nate, I wasnt surprised he beat conor cuz I've never thought conor was this amazing striker. But....he got inflated, so with it comes notoriety.

This paul asshole...look, he appears to really want to be a convincing fighter and it looks like hes doing his best. However, this trajectory is and always will be laughable.

Then again, it sells. I didby buy it tho!

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Strength matters a lot in clinches. Paul is far stronger than Nate, dude is younger, stronger and faster.

Paul is a natural middleweight. Nate is a tweezer between lightweight and welterweight. I don’t think Nate can control him in the clinch like many thinks.

Also, Nate is a way worse version of himself than the one who fought Edwards.

Jake Paul boxes around his walking weight. He would be a tiny middleweight I think. Either way, if we are calling Nate a tweener, then we should call Jake one also (to be frank, Nate is closer to a 170 pounder than Jake is a 185 pounder).

Jake fights at a 190 pounds probably. So he is bigger than Nate but not by two full weight classes.


Jake Paul is listed at Cruiserweight in boxing because all his fights are above 175. He never has actually had a fight at the cruiserweight limit (200 LBS), he isn't that big.

 

[Trabaho]

Nate is gonna get so rich. Paul bless getting our veterans paid

 

[Ibm]

Jake does hit like a gorilla so he always has a punchers chance in MMA too.

 

[Ace70 V2]

Not sure he needs to fix it... I'm leaning 70/30 in favor of Jake even if they fight in MMA.

Diaz looked old and slow as hell. All the attributes are on Jake's side, and I bet he'll have at least 6-9 months to train jiujitsu and kickboxing. Younger, faster, stronger (he can wrestle some too), and I bet he's been training MMA, there's no way he just exclusively trains boxing.

All he has to do is keep it standing and not get caught.

 

[wildchild88]

Mods: this is a mainstream topic and deserves to be in the heavies.

Diaz can't kick, Paul outstrikes him.

Jake Paul was a decent highschool wrestler, with a training camp intensive I think he would be able to stop Diaz's TD's, who has below average takedowns.

The fight would also be at 185, so Diaz would be extra skinny fat once more.

Oh the humiliation..

<{chips}>

Edit: I'm no JP fan btw.

 

[Ornife]

Its a very unpopular opinion, but I think the fight is very winnable for boxer Jake Paul.