Myth: MM isn't P4P because his competition is weak

[The Bard]

From Shertards inane reasoning those divisions are also manlets and cut the from the UFC.

Statistically, men whom are 5'3" are severe outliers. So empirically speaking, yeah there would be a reason to call them "manlets" as much as you'd call a guy who is 6'9"+ a giant or whatever.

 

[discrawg]

I agree TS. Some good points here. Mighty Mouse is definitely making the others look bad as well.

 

[tmsxl]

You used the same 3 fighters in both your examples when describing how "well rounded" his opposition is. That shows you right there how weak the division is.

 

[NotaNutHugger]

Now, if we magnify MM to 170, will he outwrestle GSP?

GSP has not returned yet. I didn't say that MM was the GOAT. I said that IMO he's the current #1 P4P.

 

[SuperNerd]

MM is super impressive. At everything.

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

Sure he is. Just ask Joe Rogan.

 

[gosuasus]

Ye, then you see that flyweights are top contenders and potential challengers in bantamweight. No quality at 125, certainly.

Shut up, please...

Mighty Mouse is true pound for pound king by tehnique and in the ways he dominating. 8 title defences also. The second best is Joanna with 3 of them.

 

[mirko>anyone]

Sorry, but pontificating your opinion hardly makes it true. That division is weak...

 

[JayElectra]

Go by height, it gives you a more accurate measure when accounting for physical condition.

You said size. I think that it should be abundantly obvious that in a sport separated according to weight, weight would be the best indicator of size.

 

[The Bard]

You said size. I think that it should be abundantly obvious that in a sport separated according to weight, weight would be the best indicator of size.

For a fighter, yes, but it's not the best indicator of what the fighting weight would be for non-fighters. It is basically certain that height would correlate more strongly. Weight has too many confounding variables, not the least of which is lifestyle.

Even among pro fighters, height has a very high correlation with weight class.

 

[Bilbo Gaggins]

In the OP's dreamworld, midgets like Peter Dinklage are the most skilled people in the world.

Your perception of "skill" means nothing. The only thing that matters is who would win in a fight.

A bigger person would tool a little guy, that's why we have weight classes.

spoken like a delusional fat ass. bigger they are, harder they fall. sorry about your life, chunk. the only advantage a fat ass has is in close range, avoid this scenario, and they gas, and fall, quick.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

I think when people mention this, they really have zero clue as to what they are talking about.

Breaking it down to skill, the lower the weight class...the more skilled the fighters have to be. This is the same in every combat sport. When it comes to boxing, wrestling, BJJ....the competitors are almost ALWAYS the most skilled out of all the weight classes.

Every single one of MM's opponents have had top tier wrestling: Cejudo the olympian, Dodson a 2x NM Wrestling State Champion, Benavidez, Baugitinov, McCall, and Moraga.

He's fought great Submission grapplers such as Dodson (Black belt), Cariaso (Brown belt and he submitted him), Baugitinov (International Master of Grappling, wrestling, and Sambo), Benavidez (10th degree red belt in JoeJitsu , but nonetheless a great grappler), Ian Mcall (Purple Belt in BJJ)

He's fought good strikers as well, John Dodson (one of the top punchers in the UFC), Benavidez, McCall, Baugitinov (last guy to beat Lineker), Kyoji (Black belt in traditional striking), Miguel Torres

This shows just how well rounded his opposition has been

His opponents combined record winning percentage in the UFC have been about 80%, compared to Jon Jones's 75%, and GSP's 73% in their last 9 fights.

When it comes to 125, MM has beaten the cream of the crop opposition with outstanding records

The only reason people say MM's competition is weak, is because he hasn't struggled...which shows that he truly dominates his weight class. Everyone he has fought has been tough, with even a few guys like Dodson who KO'ed the former BW champ, and guys like Benavidez who fought Cruz twice and arguably beat him the first time. GSP's greatness is measured by his amazing reign and his championship mindset which people saw when he avanged his losses and came back in fights he was getting beat up in. Both GSP and Jones are put over MM because the opponents they beat had bigger names. That is really what it comes down to.

GSP beat greats like Diaz, Penn, Condit, etc... all big names, Jones...has beat some of MMA's all time greats. MM has beaten people know one knows, but that doesn't make his competition 'easy"

You can say he's boring, that he doesn't get your interest, but as a fan of the sport...it's incredibly disrespectful to discredit him.

Someone PLEASE try and refute this

Strength of competition isn't based on higher or lower weight, it's based on the pool of potential talent. Human beings are rarely MM's size, and the human beings that are his size that want to fight are even fewer.

 

[Ajidar]

I don't think it works like that

But if he was bigger he would have developed differently

LOL The entire purpose of P4P is to compare stats or any non-quantifiable advantage regardless of weight.

What does developing differently has to do with this? P4P is all hypothetical talk and was developed so that stats could be compared across all athletes, which is the way it usually works in other sports like basketball, baseball, soccer etc.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Worst division ever

 

[DorianGray]

p4p what? Why do so many of you word it this way. You're leaving something out dumbasses

 

[Taric]

Flyweight has 33 fighters on the roster.
Bantamweight has 62 fighters on the roster.
Featherweight has 71 fighters on the roster.
Lightweight has 108 fighters on the roster.

Purely through math and odds alone FLW is a weak division.
The less fighters there are in a division, the better your chances are of being champion of it.

 

[SingerAuto]

First off P4P is the dumbest thing in combat sports. Second off you can't be number 1 P4P if you weigh 4 pounds. And finally Cruz beat Johnson with relative ease. In no way is MM a better fighter than Dominick. Let's see him leave the lilliputian division and challenge himself. Him breaking Anderson's record will ring hollow.

Cruz did not easily beat MM,that's utter horse shit. Dom clearly won,but it was a competitive fight. It was 49-46, a case could be made for 48-47 depending on how you viewed RD5. Not to mention Cruz was much bigger, MM is a natural 125er while Cruz is a good sized BW.


MM is p4p #1 and rightfully so. Dom has been hurt so long he's jus now hitting his stride. Of he cleans out his division as dominantly as MM has, then we can debate that. But ATT, its MM.