Social Muslim call to prayer echoes out in Minn

[Prokofievian]

The point is going over your head or you're playing at willful ignorance.

Can you criticise the government? The religion? Can you marry a local? Can you enjoy the freedoms we take for granted here daily? Hell no.

No, I don't want to live in such a place. You're welcome to censoring yourself daily and living according to backwards bs. Been there done that. And while I was just a kid, that sort of thing goes against everything I stand for.

I don't want to live in such a place. Fuck Saudi Arabia. You were just being melodramatic and that's okay.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Why do you hate freedom?

People can have whatever religion they want in America. If you don't like the constitution, than move.

Tricky situation, the adhan has been used as a political tool in the past and I can see why some people within ear shot of the speakers would not want to hear that message. If there was someone that lived in that community and did not want to hear the adhan while in his home I think he could win a civil rights case and get it shut down.

 

[nac386]

The fact that Islam goes against everything they stand for.....feminism...treatment of LGBTQ people..and so on.

They are completely silent on this in fear of being racist you really can’t wrap your head around that hypocrisy?

Wait, you said that liberals would facilitate the "overwhelming" of the United States by Islam. So essentially, a takeover.

I am asking you to explain that statement. How are liberals going to facilitate the overwhelming of the United States by Muslims? This sounds like a truly fantastical explanation I'm about to hear.

We'll start with reality, and then you can tell your story. Right now, Christians make up 73% of the country. Muslims make up .8% of the country. I'm ready to hear how the liberals are going to facilitate the overwhelming of this country by, what is now, .8% of the population.

Some key questions. Where are these take-over Muslims going to come from? Do the liberals facilitating this take-over include all the millions of Christian liberals? What on earth are you talking about? Lol.

 

[Dober4]

Wait, you said that liberals would facilitate the "overwhelming" of the United States by Islam. So essentially, a takeover.

I am asking you to explain that statement. How are liberals going to facilitate the overwhelming of the United States by Muslims? This sounds like a truly fantastical explanation I'm about to hear.

We'll start with reality, and then you can tell your story. Right now, Christians make up 73% of the country. Muslims make up .8% of the country. I'm ready to hear how the liberals are going to facilitate the overwhelming of this country by, what is now, .8% of the population.

Some key questions. Where are these take-over Muslims going to come from? Do the liberals facilitating this take-over include all the millions of Christian liberals? What on earth are you talking about? Lol.

I’m not going to keep going in circles with you just because you want to be argumentative.

 

[Bald1]

I don't want to live in such a place. Fuck Saudi Arabia. You were just being melodramatic and that's okay.

If I was to behave as freely there as I do here or when in Europe, by their laws I'd be classified as a terrorist. Not melodrama but reality.

But yeah, we agree where it's important

 

[nac386]

I’m not going to keep going in circles with you just because you want to be argumentative.

You: Makes a statement
Me: Explain your statement
You: I'm not going to talk in circles here

 

[Dober4]

You: Makes a statement
Me: Explain your statement
You: I'm not going to talk in circles here

Good day sir, keep your blinders on.

 

[ElKarlo]

Imagine being that naive

Some people aren't worth debating as they have no idea how the world works

 

[ElKarlo]

Well let's ask him if I was in the ball park of what he was talking about or if I'm stretching.

@ElKarlo ...?

I like MicroBrew think that there are many useful idiots on the left that are making it harder for the west to counter the existential threats posed by China and Islam. It may not be the same people but the far left definitely shows its dislike for Christianity while encouraging Islam due to diversity.

 

[nac386]

Imagine being that naive

Some people aren't worth debating as they have no idea how the world works

Elkarlo, you've been posting on this forum for 15 years.

Can you show me a post, from any point in those 15 years, where one of the thousands of posters who have come and gone said that they want to end Christianity and promote more Islam?

I've noticed this ongoing trend where people make statements that they absolutely cannot support, and when asked for some evidence they say something like, 'Whatever man, whatever." Lol. It's happened a few times already in this thread.

Islam is less than 1% of this country. Yet multiple posters in this thread have rambled about Islamic takeovers, facilitated by leftists, etc. It's all laughable nonsense.

 

[ElKarlo]

Elkarlo, you've been posting on this forum for 15 years.

Can you show me a post, from any point in those 15 years, where one of the thousands of posters who have come and gone said that they want to end Christianity and promote more Islam?

I said the left as in bow the left in general exists in the west. Not how it exists here in sherdog. That's not the same thing.

 

[nac386]

I said the left as in bow the left in general exists in the west. Not how it exists here in sherdog. That's not the same thing.

Wouldn't you think there'd be at least one person who has existed on this forum at some point in the last 15 years who held a perspective that somewhat aligns with how the left "generally exists in the west"?

I mean, are you just saying it is such a super rare viewpoint that nobody has ever expressed it on this forum, but is out there somewhere?

 

[Deleted member 512089]

While what those soldiers did was despicable and I humans it pales in comparison to running over innocent families because they are celebrating Christmas or blowing up a church on Easter. How about when they behead someone and then parade the head around and hang the bodies from bridges? I would much rather have to lie on a pile of dudes naked than have my head chopped off or be blown up at a concert.

Of course killing innocent families at Christmas or bombing a church at easter or beheading or anything involving killing civilians is disgusting and despicable.

But hey those Arabs weren't never celebrating anything in their own country yeah ? Nor do we have images of soldiers shooting kids for fun don't we ? How you draw a comparison between killings depending on the geographical place where it occurs is itself disturbing and shocking. Knowing that what happened in irak is 10,000 times the scale of the other atrocities you mentioned. Lives are not equal, it's almost if thinking that would make me a SJW.

 

[Seso]

Elkarlo, you've been posting on this forum for 15 years.

Can you show me a post, from any point in those 15 years, where one of the thousands of posters who have come and gone said that they want to end Christianity and promote more Islam?

I've noticed this ongoing trend where people make statements that they absolutely cannot support, and when asked for some evidence they say something like, 'Whatever man, whatever." Lol. It's happened a few times already in this thread.

Islam is less than 1% of this country. Yet multiple posters in this thread have rambled about Islamic takeovers, facilitated by leftists, etc. It's all laughable nonsense.

Here in Europe leftist groups like the Anarchists and Antifa love to vandalise churches and they (like the majority of leftists)hate christians and christanity but they would never touch a Mosque, they would never talk bad about muslims, want more immigrants. So it's not a secret that they would like to end christanity and replace it

 

[nac386]

Here in Europe leftist groups like the Anarchists and Antifa love to vandalise churches and they (like the majority of leftists)hate christians and christanity but they would never touch a Mosque, they would never talk bad about muslims, want more immigrants. So it's not a secret that they would like to end christanity and replace it

It sounds like you're limiting "leftists" by extremists groups. That would be like saying the right wing hates blacks, Muslims, and Jews and wants them separated from white society because a bunch of white supremacist groups say so. It's just goofiness.

I live in America. In America, much of the left is religious. Catholics are the largest single denomination of Christians in America, and half of them vote left. Even if you're talking about Protestants, around 40% of them vote left. The Jewish community would probably be most at odds with Islam, right? Well 80% of Jewish people vote left.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...igious-groups-voted-in-the-midterm-elections/

The idea that the left, by and large, shows a great deal of animosity towards Christianity is simply not true. To a significant extent, the "left" is Christian.

What we see in America is that the left is generally pro-religious freedom, even if that religion is a minority religion. That is a very, very fundamental aspect of our Constitution in the USA.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Spare me your bullshit. Like when you claimed I was antu-eu, and keep conflating my criticism of Islam as being anti-muslim.

Ask me a straight out question and I'll answer it as honestly as always. If you're going to keep twisting my words then go waste someone else's time.

Uh, wtf? I've asked you more than once to clarify and then you never do and then cry like you're doing here about me twisting your words. So then here's a straight question; should Muslim have the right to proselytize in the West?

 

[RabbitPunch36]

But the Muslim Turks weren't really interested in pushing Islam on the Hindus, it was the Sufi missionaries who were interested in that and they often did so through non-coercive proselytizing and charity.

I am glad someone knows their history of South Asia in this thread. From what I have read one main reason for the conversion of Punjabi and Sindhi people to Islam was that Sufi missionaries were used as mediators in land disputes and my ancestors were very impressed with the fairness and thoughtfulness in which the Sufi's solved these land disputes.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

How else, but through non-coercive measure are you going to get your foot in the door when you're outnumbered thousands to one?

Your being obtuse delibrately, Turkic Muslim (Mughals) were in control of the Northern part of South Asia and had no serious intention of converting the masses to Islam. Sufi's missionaries mostly from Persia independently of the Turkic rulers came to spread Islam there. There was no need to get their foot in the door or have a secret agenda of spreading Islam as your implying. I guess this does not fit your worldview that Muslims are connving people who want to dominate every country they enter slowly so you have to conviently forget important details in the timeline of Islam's spread to South Asia.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

All those smaller hindu nations would have came together sooner or later and we would see a united hindu nation just like how all the little italian, germanic, greek etc. nations from the past came together and created a united nation. But now they're also religious divided. With Islam being a very tribalistic "We vs other" religion and hindus as well partly, they seem even more divided especially because they have 100s of milion belivers on both sides. The pakistan india conflict, exodus of hindus from pakistan to india, the kashmir conflict, exodus of kashmir hindus, religious riots across india are happening very often, cow protection violence, illegal bangladeshis in the northeast, modhi, hindu nationlaists, and the mistrust between muslims and hindus, and it seems like the hindus still see the muslims as "the others" or they even still see them as the "invaders" because of the past. They're many other examples

Hinduism is a very divided religion Historically its unlikely they ever unite.
Here is some information on how different Hinduism was in Pakistan vs India

 

[djacobox372]

Tricky situation, the adhan has been used as a political tool in the past and I can see why some people within ear shot of the speakers would not want to hear that message. If there was someone that lived in that community and did not want to hear the adhan while in his home I think he could win a civil rights case and get it shut down.

Unless it's excessively loud and breaks noise ordinance laws, shutting it down would be a violation of the 1st amendment. You can't just shut down speech because you don't like the message--especially if it's religious or political.