International Multiple Stabbing Victims at UK Children's Club UPDATE: 17 Year Old Boy Arrested, Not Treated as Terror Related

[Rob Battisti]

I've seen both man and boy used.

Boy is used specifically to state he's a child in the eyes of the law. But I think he will be tried as an adult.

And there should be fury if he gets to pretend he's insane.

Fury all around.

I just can’t imagine the person writing those words thinking that is what this killer is.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Right wing morons protesting outside a mosque...

... probably based on the completely made up and incorrect name being shared on social media...

Fucking hell these people are thick as two short planks.

Tbf you don't need a tragedy to protest against Islam/outside a mosque.

 

[Copper Burner]

Lol he fled the country recently he was so scared he was going to prison again.

Tommy Robinson is a hero.

 

[fingercuffs]

Tommy Robinson is a hero.

How so?

 

[Copper Burner]

Yeah.

They're doing a great job of showing how civilised they are.

Send THEM to Rwanda.

How about we sent you to Rwanda. We don't want you.

 

[Copper Burner]

It's a bit more than a, "protest", mate. At least one copper with a broken nose and a police van set on fire. The K9 Unit has been deployed along with Public Order coppers(Riot Squad).

As to your last point: these people would probably be out-scored on an IQ test by the aformentioned Short Planks.

White people in general have high IQ's.

 

[Copper Burner]

How so?

If you are asking, you're one of "those".

 

[650lb Sumo]

I've seen both man and boy used.

Boy is used specifically to state he's a child in the eyes of the law. But I think he will be tried as an adult.

Someone under 18 is not an adult in the eyes of the law. In fact milder sentencing for younger offenders continues after 18.

It would be unusual for him to be tried as an adult but yeah this is an exceptionally bad crime and he's 17 so could be.

In case not (fiendishly complex):

Spoiler: Sentencing for offences committed as a child

Turning 18

This guide deals with the impact of turning 18 on young people in the criminal justice system

yjlc.uk

Sentencing powers

The general rule is that sentencing powers are determined by a defendant’s age at the date of conviction.

Turning 18 before proceedings start

Only adult disposals will be available to the court, despite the defendant being sentenced for offences committed as a child.
Sentence must be conducted in accordance with the principles established in R v Ahmed and Ors.
The court must have regard to the maximum sentence that would have been available at the time of the defendant’s offending and, as its starting point, the court should take the sentence which would have been imposed if the defendant had been sentenced as a child.


Turning 18 during proceedings and before conviction

[Murder and attempted murder are obviously Crown Court matters but I've left the paragraph intact. Note that 17 year olds in Crown Court do not have automatic anonymity.]

Despite the general rule, the youth court may retain the sentence of a child who turns 18 before conviction if crossing the age threshold occurs during the proceedings. Alternatively, the court may exercise a discretionary power to remit sentence to the adult magistrates’ court.

Where a sentence is retained, the youth court may give a youth sentence. This means that a defendant may receive a Referral Order, Youth Rehabilitation Order or Detention and Training Order, despite the defendant turning 18 before conviction. However, this will often be met with resistance from the YOT, for whom supervision of the order will be complicated. Practitioners aiming for this outcome will need to liaise closely with the YOT and are likely to need to persuade them that exceptional circumstances apply.

Where a case is remitted to the adult magistrates’ court, the following rules apply:

There is no right of appeal against a decision to remit.
The youth court may rescind the remittal at any stage before sentence.
The youth court may not remit sentence for an indictable only offence.
The adult magistrates court may deal with the defendant in any way they would have dealt with an adult offender, and as a result may theoretically commit to the Crown Court for sentence. In R v Denny the Court of Appeal held that the court’s remittal of an 18 year old who was convicted of robbery in the youth was unlawful, because the adult magistrates’ court does not have the jurisdiction to deal with an adult indictable only offence. This may be a factor weighing against the exercise of the power.


Turning 18 between conviction and sentence

A defendant who turns 18 after conviction and before sentence will receive a youth sentence.

 

[Gas121]

I

Tommy Robinson is a hero.

Honestly I think people like Tommy are needed but let’s be honest he plays identity politics, certainly knows how to rub the opposition up the wrong way and get reactions.

The EDL seem to be really fired up at the moment since the release of Tommy.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Thugs hijacked Southport and families' grief, MP says

The disorder came just hours after people in Southport held a vigil for Monday's knife attack victims.

www.bbc.co.uk

Merseyside Police said those behind the violence had been fired up by social media posts which incorrectly suggested an Islamist link to Monday’s stabbings.

The Home Secretary Yvette Cooper had earlier warned about disinformation linked to the attack.

The suspect has no known links to Islam.

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Not a Muslim.

 

[Copper Burner]

Thugs hijacked Southport and families' grief, MP says

The disorder came just hours after people in Southport held a vigil for Monday's knife attack victims.

www.bbc.co.uk

Merseyside Police said those behind the violence had been fired up by social media posts which incorrectly suggested an Islamist link to Monday’s stabbings.

The Home Secretary Yvette Cooper had earlier warned about disinformation linked to the attack.

The suspect has no known links to Islam.

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Not a Muslim.

I aM a ReTaRdEd LiBeRaL wHo hAtEs ChriStiAns.......We mUSt gO oUt oF oUr wAy tO pRotEcT IslaM.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I aM a ReTaRdEd LiBeRaL wHo hAtEs ChriStiAns.......We mUSt gO oUt oF oUr wAy tO pRotEcT IslaM.

Do you have a problem with your keyboard Sherbro?

 

[Copper Burner]

I aM a ReTaRdEd LiBeRaL wHo hAtEs ChriStiAns.......We mUSt gO oUt oF oUr wAy tO pRotEcT IslaM.

Oh look another Godless liberal. You're ripe for the taking by those you are trying to protect. Fool.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Oh look another Godless liberal. You're ripe for the taking by those you are trying to protect. Fool.

Are you aware you're quoting yourself? Did you get CTE from the brick hitting you at the vigil? How are your nuts feeling

 

[Copper Burner]

Do you have a problem with your keyboard Sherbro?

Oh look, another Godless liberal. You're ripe for the taking by those you look to protect. Fool.

 

[Copper Burner]

Are you aware you're quoting yourself? Did you get CTE from the brick hitting you at the vigil? How are your nuts feeling

You are a danger to society. We are going to banish you to a muslim majority country to give you some perspective. Poor sad clown.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

They should know this type of behavior is only allowed when criminals are shot or killed by the police.

Or when it's the Muslims doing it. Then excuses are made, and deals are struck. And white people are made to apologise to the ranting lunatics.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Thugs hijacked Southport and families' grief, MP says

The disorder came just hours after people in Southport held a vigil for Monday's knife attack victims.

www.bbc.co.uk

Merseyside Police said those behind the violence had been fired up by social media posts which incorrectly suggested an Islamist link to Monday’s stabbings.

The Home Secretary Yvette Cooper had earlier warned about disinformation linked to the attack.

The suspect has no known links to Islam.

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Not a Muslim.

I've heard other, unconfirmed, reports that the reason for the riot was the arrest of a muslim man near the vigil that was held for the stabbing victims. He was carrying either a machete or sword.

As I say, this has yet to be confirmed by a reputable source, but if true does explain why the local mosque was attacked. Although I still do not condone it.

Latest update is that 22 police officers were injured during the riot.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You are a danger to society. We are going to banish you to a muslim majority country to give you some perspective. Poor sad clown.

Who's we lmao? You and the rest of the brick to the dick gang?

It looks like the guy who did this wasn't even Muslim.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I've heard other, unconfirmed, reports that the reason for the riot was the arrest of a muslim man near the vigil that was held for the stabbing victims. He was carrying either a machete or sword.

As I say, this has yet to be confirmed by a reputable source, but if true does explain why the local mosque was attacked. Although I still do not condone it.

Latest update is that 22 police officers were injured during the riot.

Why the fuck would they riot when the guy got arrested? It's pretty obvious they were looking for an excuse to riot. The guy turned up, the police did their job so you riot?