Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

[Andy Capp]

Not a coincidence at all. The tactic is clear, trump is the target. Anyone who may have any evidence on him is charged for anything they have ever done, no matter how unrelated it may be, so that they can plea deal their sentencing in exchange for evidence against trump. Politically, impeachment is easier to sell if there’s a strong evidentiary basis for it, but let’s not pretend any evidence is required. If dems win the primaries trump will be impeached no matter what. They have already tried to impeach with no evidence at all, multiple times, and only a lack of votes has prevented it.

I find it very interesting to see how easy it is for some to gloss over the lack of necessity to offer plea deals to all these Trump people if they don't have damaging information. The argument has been put forth continually that Mueller is only charging people to get them to give up Trump. Except if there's nothing to give, there's nothing to make a deal for.

I still think that the best thing is to let Mueller do his thing and see how it turns out, but that doesn't stop me from forming an opinion about how I see it turning out. Trump is scummier than the bottom of Stormy Daniel's high heeled shoes. Hopefully he doesn't die before he gets what is coming to him.

 

[waiguoren]

The argument has been put forth continually that Mueller is only charging people to get them to give up Trump. Except if there's nothing to give, there's nothing to make a deal for.

When witnessed are squeezed, they don't only sing. They often compose.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Leaked what?

PapaD, was a nobody, who made a false statement to the fbi. There was nothing to leak.

McGahn spoke with the SC, wow stop the presses. Better leak that right away...

I don’t even know who Patton is, or what he did, so that shit must reek of nothing, better leak it.




Oh, hey dumbass, all those things are public knowledge, and literally nothing involves Donald Trump and Russia.

PapaD was praised by tRUmp upon joining the team:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...deo.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.57241e9c3261

He lied about contacts with Russian connected Professor, someone who Papadopulous believed had dirt on Clinton

McGahn directly relates with tRUmp
The curiosity surrounding McGahn's interviews peaked Saturday following a report in The New York Times that revealed McGahn's strategy could have accompanied a thought that the president was attempting to pin any possible criminal charges on him.

McGahn's interviews with investigators spanned about 30 hours in total, a person familiar with McGahn’s contact with the special counsel’s office told USA TODAY.

The source did not elaborate on the contents of his discussions with Mueller’s team, but The New York Times said McGahn took Mueller's team through Trump's comments and actions in some of the most controversial topics that have surrounded the White House.

McGahn reportedly told investigators what he knew about the president's role in the firing of former FBI director James Comey, Trump's repeated criticism of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his role in the Russia investigation before the president hired outside counsel to deal with the matter, The Times reported, citing a dozen anonymous sources.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...house-counsel-interviewed-mueller/1032795002/


Patton: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...guilty-help-mueller-investigation/1159475002/

Patten was a business associate of Konstantin Kilimnik, who has ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik worked closely with Manafort and is a co-defendant in the pending case that accuses them both of witness tampering.

Directly relates to Russia.

You ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

My view is that impeachment is reserved for serious crimes.

President Johnson was wrongfully impeached

President Clinton was wrongfully impeached

President Nixon deserved impeachment (clearly guilty of obstruction of justice) but resigned first

Sure if you want a POTUS capable of lying to investigators they're wrongfully impeached. I'd rather POTUS be held accountable as everyone else

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I find it very interesting to see how easy it is for some to gloss over the lack of necessity to offer plea deals to all these Trump people if they don't have damaging information.

I think the basic tactic is to suggest that if people "flip", then they're just going to make some shit up out of whole cloth to save themselves, and their testimony can't be trusted.

Just to preemptively get it into the botbrains. All evidence that points to DJT being a bad actor in these dealings is made up. There are no proofs that will ever satisfy them and their minds are closed to whatever is presented.

 

[waiguoren]

Sure if you want a POTUS capable of lying to investigators they're wrongfully impeached. I'd rather POTUS be held accountable as everyone else

President Johnson was not impeached for lying to investigators.

The phrase "treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors" either includes minor crimes or it does not. If you think the phrase is too vague to know for sure, then we should have a constitutional amendment to tighten up the language.

 

[waiguoren]

@OeuvrePressure

What do you think are the likely, quantifiable outcomes of the Mueller probe?

 

[waiguoren]

wut

 

[pinger]

This guy is like waiguren; retweeting his own posts like that makes them a good argument

 

[waiguoren]

This guy is like waiguren; retweeting his own posts like that makes them a good argument

Fair to assume from a flippant comment like this that you lack the ability to refute any of my arguments? Yeah, I think so.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Woodward's explosive book:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html

Woodward's book relies on hundreds of hours of taped interviews and dozens of sources in Trump's inner circle, as well as documents, files, diaries and memos, including a note handwritten by Trump himself.

In one revelatory anecdote, Woodward describes a scene in the White House residence. Trump's lawyer, convinced the President would perjure himself, put Trump through a test — a practice interview for the one he might have with Mueller. Trump failed, according to Dowd, but the President still insisted he should testify.
Woodward writes that Dowd saw the "full nightmare" of a potential Mueller interview, and felt Trump acted like an "aggrieved Shakespearean king."
But Trump seemed surprised at Dowd's reaction, Woodward writes. "You think I was struggling?" Trump asked.

No wonder tRUmp blasted Woodward

 

[Joe]

I can't get over how much contempt trump has for his base

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I can't get over how much contempt trump has for his base

Hearsay.

But quite believable hearsay.

Trump speaks in idiotic sound bites to idiots who love him for lying every goddamned day.

 

[Strychnine]

Just as I thought. No intelligible response.

As for the combativeness, you know you like it Gandhi. That's why you're on a cage-fighting site to begin with. Embrace the inner you.....

Dred Scott?

 

[waiguoren]

ALLEGED SOURCE FOR STEELE DOSSIER SETS UP $1 MILLION FUNDRAISER

An alleged source for the Steele dossier is seeking $1 million in an online fundraiser to combat “the Deep State” and “fake news consortium.”

Sergei Millian, a Belarusian-American businessman, set up the fundraiser on GoFundMe.

“Most of the pertinent details stay hidden from public view by a well-organized campaign of disinformation, twisting facts, and/or purely inaccurate reporting,” Millian wrote in a vaguely worded pitch that does not mention the dossier.

Millian has been identified as a source for some of the most salacious allegations made in the dossier, which was written by former British spy Christopher Steele and funded by the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee (DNC). As “Source D” and “Source E” in the dossier, Millian is behind the claim that the Kremlin has blackmail material on President Donald Trump. According to the recent book “Russian Roulette,” Millian unwittingly spoke to a source who was working for Steele as part of his investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia.

Millian, who is chairman of an obscure trade group called the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, has claimed in the past to have worked for the Trump Organization, the Trump family’s real estate company. He has said in previous interviews that he helped broker real estate deals on behalf of Trump’s company involving Russians.

But some in the Trump orbit have accused Millian of lying about his links to Trump. Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen has called Millian a “phony” who overstated his ties to Trumpworld.

Even Glenn Simpson, the founder of the firm who hired Steele, believed Millian was “a big talker,” according to the recent book, “Russian Roulette.”

“Had Millian made something up or repeated rumors he had heard from others to impress Steele’s collector? Simpson had his doubts. He considered Millian a big talker,” reads the book, written by Michael Isikoff and David Corn. (RELATED: Fusion GPS Doubted The Credibility Of A Major Dossier Source)

Millian did have extensive contact with at least one member of the Trump campaign.

In July 2016, Millian reached out to Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos through LinkedIn to request a meeting. The pair met several times during the campaign. (RELATED: Papadopoulos Was Approached By ‘Highly Suspicious’ Businessmen, His Wife Claims)

Millian, whose real name is Siarhei Kukuts, has stayed out of the public spotlight since being identified as a dossier source. Congressional investigators have tried in vain to interview him.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/03/sergei-millian-dossier/

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

A story can only be "caught" if it has already been "pitched". Is there any evidence that Stephanie Clifford had threatened to go public with her sex story at any time other than two weeks before the election? If Trump had refused to pay Clifford off, say, two years prior to the election then you'd have a point.



At least you're consistent. To me, it's ridiculous to interpret such payments as "campaign contributions". How far can we stretch this? If Trump pays for a nice massage during campaign season, should he be obligated to disclose to the FEC his payment to his masseuse as a "campaign contribution" on the grounds that it benefitted Trump on the campaign trail? @Rational Poster's position is "yes", as I understand it. I'm guessing you'll say "no".



You're defeating your own case. The attorney (Cohen) pleaded guilty to a variety of dishonest acts, but you would have us assume that his statements about Trump's motivations for paying Clifford were accurate. That's especially absurd considering the high likelihood that Cohen is being "squeezed" as part of an implicit cooperation agreement.

Come on now, the Stormy (and let's call her Stormy, it's more fun) story had been floating out there for years and years, she even took a busty polygraph about her sex with Trump years earlier (not arguing for the validity of the polygraph itself here, just that she took one years earlier).

And if we are going to be pedants here, do you have proof that Stormy "threatened to go public with her sex story" two weeks before the election?

And your false equivalency massage argument isn't up to your usual standards; paying off one hardcore porn star, and one softcore porn star, to stay quiet about sex Trump had with them 9 years earlier, was for the purpose of keeping that information away from, among other potential voters, soccer moms in the Midwest who they didn't want to stay home in disgust on election day.

As for Cohen flipping and testifying to the obvious, no I am not defeating my own case. Trump defenders can bemoan the use of snitches when it comes to their boy, but snitches and flippers have been an essential part of law enforcement for generations, including the testimony of stone cold killers and career criminals who make Cohen look like an angel in comparison. Furthermore, it's not like Cohen is making this stuff up out of nowhere, Avenatti was making this case for months before the FBI raided Cohen's house, hotel, and office, and Cohen held out with bullshit for as long as he could, waiting for Trump's help. Plus, the FBI has documents and tapes from their raids on Cohen, and Cohen cooperating to help them put the pieces of the puzzle together, so it would not just come down to a he said vs. he said decision for jurors. So yeah, the case against Trump is much stronger than was the case against Edwards, who again, I think was guilty.

 

[44nutman]

So did they ever discover how Trump Tower got bugged by Obama?

They hid the listening devices in Grey Poupon mustard bottles.
No American would use that surrender mustard, so they bottles were never disturbed.

 

[44nutman]

I often post articles and videos I don't agree with. You should always assume I disagree, unless I post Dershowitz. Even then I'll disagree about 10% of the time.

How much does Dershowitz pay his publicist now a days?

 

[Gandhi]

No Gandhi. Let's take this reallll sloooooowly......


When I post a video or an article, the mere posting of that content should not be seen as an endorsement of the content of the post.

However, when I present an argument without attribution, that argument is indeed my own and should be read as such.

I know you're a self-described "old fart", but I don't think you're that old.
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Here's a video relevant to the current thread topic:

Derp, it’s been explained to you why your approach is nonsensical and easily open to misinterpretation. Of course that gives you room to tap dance away. It’s funny how in a thread full of people saying they will no longer engage with you, you prove their point by being a dipshit with the one guy who is saying the opposite.

And I am not watching any of your videos.

 

[Limbo Pete]

And I am not watching any of your videos.

But don't you want to see Dershowitz rambling about John Edwards?