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Im not talking about any version of the bible, you would like me to be though, that's the proverbial "red rag". You wont dare interfere with the muslims though, chicken:icon_lol:

IMHO all religion is bullshit and brainwashing but if people want believe that's up to them. It's when those views limit me or my family or my friends rights, that I have a problem.

I've lived next to a church for the last 12 years, never had a problem with it. I did however when the priest, told my girlfriends daughter that we were living in sin because we were not married and told him to go fuck himself.
 
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Let me introduce a fifth angle

Maybe you're a shill for the right wing, sent here to convince us that gay rights are a government conspiracy, in hopes that people will reject gay rights

My... god...

I must... I must do research!!!!!

lol. Or maybe it has nothing to do with gay rights at all? It may be that the politicians and others throwing their money and resources towards it tell people they care about rights, but actually don't! Wouldn't that be a twist
 
Many people, like me, argue for this sort of shift because we've seen how the previous religiously motivated values hurt and marginalized groups.

We've seen this not because of some MSM pressure but because we actually have family members in these marginalized groups.

There is certainly support at the grass roots level, but I have found that major civil movements require a lot of powerful support to get off the ground. Once things become political, it get's weird.

The gay marriage movement gets way more traction then say Occupy wall street. Personally I think the occupy wall street issues are more important in the grand scheme of things and touch a lot more people, but I don't get to decide what gets promoted.
 
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Glennrod, let me ask you question...

do you have gay friends or coworkers who are gay?

Not that I could really call friends, I know gay people though and I know the worlds most convincing transgender dude. I refer to her as a dude because when I see him, I can see no way that he was ever a woman, but if I see (like I did) what is clearly a man with a set of fake tits surgically attached to him, me, or my children can not be considered "hateful" for being disgusted at the sight of it

sorry I went a bit off course, but I want you to understand my way of thinking
 
so by not allowing them to redefine marriage, that is attacking them? wowzers! :icon_neut

Fucking YES that's attacking them. It's the same way that we redefined marriage by making it ONE man and ONE woman and we redefined marriage by making it someone's choice instead of a parents choice and its the same way we redefined marriage in the USA by making it not stuck between your race and ethnicity.

It is an ATTACK on them.

Wowzers!
 
They are wanting to redefine an institution that has existed for yonks

So? That institution has been redefined and reworked numerous times.

They are labelling people who don't agree with them as Nazi's or bigots.

Why is the term "bigot" not appropriate for many, if not most, gay rights opponents? Is there not a significant amount of hatred projected towards gay people?

They want to be married into an institution that opposes their lifestyle, even in the very building

False. The push is for equality within the legal system, not anything related to churches.

They want to condemn people as being hateful for not subscribing to their methods of pleasuring themselves...how fucking selfish

Dishonest characterization.

They are operating under the banner of "inclusiveness, and equality", but cant accept that other people have opposing beliefs

They can't?
 
IMHO all religion is bullshit and brainwashing but if people want believe that's up to them. It's when those views limit me or my family or my friends rights, that I have a problem.

I've lived next to a church for the last 12 years, never had a problem with it. I did however when the priest, told my girlfriends daughter that we were living in sin because, we were not married and told him to go fuck himself.

haha, I would do the same. a couple of years back I done some bible studies with JW's.... very strange people indeed
 
Fucking YES that's attacking them. It's the same way that we redefined marriage by making it ONE man and ONE woman and we redefined marriage by making it someone's choice instead of a parents choice and its the same way we redefined marriage in the USA by making it not stuck between your race and ethnicity.

It is an ATTACK on them.

Wowzers!

Im sure you care about the "brutal attacks" on polygamists just the same...
 
haha, I would do the same. a couple of years back I done some bible studies with JW's.... very strange people indeed

So, willing to tell a priest to go fuck himself if he won't let you sleep with your girlfriend before marriage, but DON"T BASH THE CHURCH if gay people want to get married.

Glennrod, you are a special kind of hypocrite. Cheers my friend.

Im sure you care about the "brutal attacks" on polygamists just the same...

I'm sure you think that we should redefine marriage between a white woman and a white man, and a black woman and a black man, because that is how America was founded, damnit!

Strawman bullshit.
 
So, willing to tell a priest to go fuck himself if he won't let you sleep with your girlfriend before marriage, but DON"T BASH THE CHURCH if gay people want to get married.

Glennrod, you are a special kind of hypocrite. Cheers my friend.



I'm sure you think that we should redefine marriage between a white woman and a white man, and a black woman and a black man, because that is how America was founded, damnit!

Strawman bullshit.

I dont like people telling me what to do, I don't like homosexuals or atheists trying to tell churches what to do...so fucking what?. and you must learn to ditch that racial argument, its beyond a joke

EDIT: its also a strawman!
 

the special interest groups that go on the attack everytime someone has a relatively normal opinion that isn't the same as theirs perhaps?

"he said he believes a marriage is between a man and a woman"

"oh that horrible, hateful bastard"

fuck anyone that thinks like that, I don't even know where the fuck they grew these idiots?. small minded people who just want to fuck with people and say "hey everyone, look at me"
 
I dont like people telling me what to do, I don't like homosexuals or atheists trying to tell churches what to do...so fucking what?. and you must learn to ditch that racial argument, its beyond a joke

This post is chocked full of hypocritical nonsense

YOU don't like the Church telling you what you can and cannot do so you "rightfully" would tell the church to fuck off.
GAY people don't like the Church telling them what they can and cannot do, but they need to back off their attacks.
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The fuck?

Also, I'll ditch the racial argument if you ditch the polygamy argument. Again, pot meeting kettle.
 
No here is what they are doing:

They are wanting to redefine an institution that has existed for yonks

Who cares. Slavery has existed for "yonks" but we are civilized now.

They are labelling people who don't agree with them as Nazi's or bigots.

It's not about disagreement. They are labeling people who are bigots, bigots. There is a big difference between disagreement and active and hateful opposition.

They want to be married into an institution that opposes their lifestyle, even in the very building

They don't have a right to demand that. I haven't heard this, though, so I'm guessing you're making this up. If not, you're right on this.

They want to condemn people as being hateful for not subscribing to their methods of pleasuring themselves...how fucking selfish

They don't want to be condemned by others, how fucking selfish.:rolleyes:

They are operating under the banner of "inclusiveness, and equality", but cant accept that other people have opposing beliefs

Strawman city. The only belief they oppose is the right to equality. And bigotry is not a position that should be accepted as an equal view point.

these people are trolls, wasn't there an attempted "gay pride" march to fuck with people celebrating st patricks day recently?, that right there is trolling. I cant wait til they eventually get their own way, just to see what they want to rally against next. people like that always just have to be in some shit (pun not intended)

Did you feel the same way about the women's and civil rights movements? Organizing to fight for a cause you believe in is now trolling? You really can't believe that collectively, gay rights activists are just trolls. Absurd.
 
This post is chocked full of hypocritical nonsense

YOU don't like the Church telling you what you can and cannot do so you "rightfully" would tell the church to fuck off.
GAY people don't like the Church telling them what they can and cannot do, but they need to back off their attacks.
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The fuck?

Also, I'll ditch the racial argument if you ditch the polygamy argument. Again, pot meeting kettle.

I don't like anyone telling me what to do, im also not gonna get upset because the new black panther party wont accept my application and call me "devil". I was never meant to join that club, much like gays aren't meant to join the marriage club. I had no problem with civil unions that offered ALL the same benefits as marriage, as soon as I learned that wasn't good enough for them, I knew they were trolling
 
No here is what they are doing:



Who cares. Slavery has existed for "yonks" but we are civilized now.



It's not about disagreement. They are labeling people who are bigots, bigots. There is a big difference between disagreement and active and hateful opposition.



They don't have a right to demand that. I haven't heard this, though, so I'm guessing you're making this up. If not, you're right on this.



They don't want to be condemned by others, how fucking selfish.:rolleyes:



Strawman city. The only belief they oppose is the right to equality. And bigotry is not a position that should be accepted as an equal view point.



Did you feel the same way about the women's and civil rights movements? Organizing to fight for a cause you believe in is now trolling? You really can't believe that collectively, gay rights activists are just trolls. Absurd.

I wasn't alive during that era and neither were you so don't talk about shit you don't know. im sorry but im gonna have to ask you to stop quoting me if you cant stop reaching for absurd comparisons and telling flat out lies. I love a debate, but I wont tolerate a tsunami of knee-jerk bullshit
 
I don't like anyone telling me what to do, im also not gonna get upset because the new black panther party wont accept my application and call me "devil". I was never meant to join that club, much like gays aren't meant to join the marriage club. I had no problem with civil unions that offered ALL the same benefits as marriage, as soon as I learned that wasn't good enough for them, I knew they were trolling

So YOU don't like people telling you what YOU can and cannot do but YOU have no problem telling GAY PEOPLE what THEY can and cannot do.

So, this whole entire thing is based off a gross sense of selfishness and entitlement?

They want the right to be able to get married. It's not about being able to get married in every church. It's about being able to get married in the churches that have no problem with marrying them.

The whole trolling accusation is embarrassing, honestly.
 
the special interest groups that go on the attack everytime someone has a relatively normal opinion that isn't the same as theirs perhaps?

"he said he believes a marriage is between a man and a woman"

"oh that horrible, hateful bastard"

fuck anyone that thinks like that, I don't even know where the fuck they grew these idiots?. small minded people who just want to fuck with people and say "hey everyone, look at me"

Oh no, someone is being criticized for their opinion!

The same thing would happen if someone said they believed marriage was between 2 people of the same race or that marriage doesn't require a woman's consent or that the front of the bus is for white people or any number of other things.

What a shocker that "group X is inferior to group Y and shouldn't be treated the same" would be something that would cause people to object.
 
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