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Always wondered?
Yahya got guillotined by JZ years back any others?
Yahya got guillotined by JZ years back any others?
Hmmmm
Did Ronda armbar some BJJ champ? in her early fights
Mir subbed some high level BB in early days?
Mir over Nog probs
if i remember right in tuf Brazil there was probs some mundial or Brazil national black belt champ who get choked in RNC
Gracie clan to Sakuraba
Nogueria to Mir
Almeida to Matt Hughes
Not sure whats going on in this thread, but sakuraba did not submit ANY of the gracies
This is batshit "I Train under the gracies" logic.
They refused to tap so he broke it. That is a submission.
No, im a simple man when it comes to the definition of KO's and submissions. I don't give a shit what Wikipedia says either, no tap, no submission. some people are that crazy that they "would rather have their arm broken than submit" ...to quote a Gracie. Renzo is proud that he didn't submit to a broken arm...didn't submit
He can be as proud as he likes, but he lost the fight because of a submission attempt.
Whether he tapped or not is irrelevent in the context of the question bar semantics