Most regarded BJJ practitioner to get subbed in MMA?

Thales Leites got subbed by Matt Horowich, but Matts got mad skills, still never expected it to happen though
 
I honestly think Mir submitting Traven is more impressive than submitting Noguiera, as far as grappling credentials go.

I remember hearing about someone tapping out Jeff Monson recently which was shocking to me...
 
glennrod said:
Context?, submission means to submit. this can be done across various things, sexually, financially. Its not a terminology that needs changing. its pretty clear cut as it is
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No. In this context submission is a noun (short for submission attempt) and submit is a verb.

To lose via sub means you lost via a submission attempt. Whether you tapped, passed out or broke a limb is irrelevant. You were subbed or 'lost via sub' because the submission attempt ended the fight.
 
chukutee said:
In this context submission is a noun (short for submission attempt) and submit is a verb.

To lose via sub means you lost via a submission attempt. Whether you tapped, passed out or broke a limb is irrelevant. You were subbed or 'lost via sub' because the submission attempt ended the fight.
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Attempt? you can attempt something, but if it doesn't work it doesn't count. whats next, is a "verbal submission" set to change?, "he didn't actually say it, but he was thinking it" :icon_neut
 
BabyBlue_Bomber said:
I honestly think Mir submitting Traven is more impressive than submitting Noguiera, as far as grappling credentials go.

I remember hearing about someone tapping out Jeff Monson recently which was shocking to me...
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Gunnar nelson submitted monson in an open weight match. crazy!
 
glennrod said:
No, im a simple man when it comes to the definition of KO's and submissions. I don't give a shit what Wikipedia says either, no tap, no submission. some people are that crazy that they "would rather have their arm broken than submit" ...to quote a Gracie. Renzo is proud that he didn't submit to a broken arm...didn't submit
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It was a completed submission hold, therefor a win by submission. Arguing otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
 
CarloSpcyWeiner said:
It was a completed submission hold, therefor a win by submission. Arguing otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
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absolutely ridiculous to suggest that not submitting = a submission?. Na, if you don't actually submit, there is no submission, its really simple stuff, call it a TKO by submission hold.. that im fine with, but the actual fighters know whats up, like I said before, renzo gracie is proud that he did not submit to that broken arm, im sure if he was talking to you personally, you wouldn't argue with him about it
 
why the fuck are you jokers mentioning Big Nog for? wtf has he ever done in a BJJ competition, like ever?

he got subbed by Ricco Rodriguez at the Abu Dhabis and thats about it.
 
glennrod said:
absolutely ridiculous to suggest that not submitting = a submission?. Na, if you don't actually submit, there is no submission, its really simple stuff, call it a TKO by submission hold.. that im fine with, but the actual fighters know whats up, like I said before, renzo gracie is proud that he did not submit to that broken arm, im sure if he was talking to you personally, you wouldn't argue with him about it
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Renzo got beat on the ground with techniques he is a specialist in. He got finished with grappling moves that intend to finish him. That
 
hunterlogan12 said:
Obviously it didn't count because he let go of it, but Matt Hughes could have easily snapped Royce's arm if he wanted to.
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No, he couldn't - he has said himself that he tried to break it but couldn't get the leverage. Royce did tap to strikes shortly after though...
 
glennrod said:
So you agree that its not a submission in a traditional sense..cool. I undertand the opposing arguments, but im sure that there are people who understand where im coming from..either way, no big deal, good game, cheers
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It wasn't the verbal meaning of the noun "submission" because most people are more intelligent than to throw months of mat-time away on rehab for the sake of arguing petty semantics in retrospect when you have a definitive L on your record at the end of it regardless. As previously stated, he got soundly defeated in the domain of his forte, and that's all that matters, and yes - for all MMA-related contexts, he "lost via Sub".
 
glennrod said:
No, im a simple man when it comes to the definition of KO's and submissions. I don't give a shit what Wikipedia says either, no tap, no submission. some people are that crazy that they "would rather have their arm broken than submit" ...to quote a Gracie. Renzo is proud that he didn't submit to a broken arm...didn't submit
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I don't know if it's that simple to utilize definitions that contradicts the rules they fight under. That sounds pretty complex and for for no good reason. A technical submission is a real thing.

You're arguing like if someone said that a TKO should be called some form of a decision because the guy was never knocked out.
 
Garnett Silk said:
Gracie clan to Sakuraba
Nogueria to Mir
Almeida to Matt Hughes
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None of these.

Mir subbing Traven was a far bigger one. Traven was actually a world champ.

Matt Lindland subbed Fabio Maldonado. Of course he pounded the crap out of him first.
 
glennrod said:
No, im a simple man when it comes to the definition of KO's and submissions. I don't give a shit what Wikipedia says either, no tap, no submission. some people are that crazy that they "would rather have their arm broken than submit" ...to quote a Gracie. Renzo is proud that he didn't submit to a broken arm...didn't submit
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How old are you?
 
gfunkwave said:
Good topic...Conan Silveira by Saku, Almeida by Hughes, Nog by Mir, Oliveira by Miller
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Now THAT is a good answer. Not only was it over a much larger BJJ world champ, but it was a clean submission that cannot be attributed to fatigue or being set up with strikes.

Your other answers, not so much. I don't know how people have Mir subbing Nog over Mir's sub on Traven, who was a much higher regarded BJJ practitioner at the time it happened. The guy had just won ADCC and the Mundials. Mir subs Nog after he is shot as a fighter, and even in his prime Nog never had those kinds of grappling accomplishments.
 
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