News Monster Inoue vs Ye Joom Kim - January 24th Japan

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

a lot of haters seem to discredit inoue's donaire win because --- "donaire was too old" excuse.
donaire was 36yrs old.

but according to those same haters, it doesn't appl when
canelo beats a 36 yr old ggg, to become the P4P king.
or when a 38 yr old beterbiev beats bivol.
& of course, a 37 yr old usyk is crowned the P4P king by beating a 36 yr old tyson fury (who's been prev. knocked down over 10x...)
so much for wear & tear.

mind you, crawford is also 37 yrs old.
as are 3 out of the top 5 P4P fighters.
so much for being discredited as over the hill at 36 yrs old.

Usyk was already crowned the P4P king before he beat Fury. He'd beaten Joshua (twice) & Dubois prior. Joshua is a few years younger than Usyk and Dubois is a decade younger. Fury isn't difficult to drop but guys like Floyd Patterson were even easier. In the rematch Fury didn't get dropped and still lost by UD so I'm not sure what point it is you're trying to make here. Also, if you think that it's just the (Western) media keeping Inoue from being crowned P4P king then you're mistaken.

 

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Usyk was already crowned the P4P king before he beat Fury. He'd beaten Joshua (twice) & Dubois prior. Joshua is a few years younger than Usyk and Dubois is a decade younger. Fury isn't difficult to drop but guys like Floyd Patterson were even easier. In the rematch Fury didn't get dropped and still lost by UD so I'm not sure what point it is you're trying to make here. Also, if you think that it's just the (Western) media keeping Inoue from being crowned P4P king then you're mistaken.

no he wasn't. inoue was rings P4P #1.
usyk was made ring's P4P after he beat fury in 5/2024.

you're completely missing the point, and making this into a usyk butt hugging post.

the point was being over age 35, still merits you to be a top P4P fighter.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

no he wasn't. inoue was rings P4P #1.
usyk was made ring's P4P after he beat fury in 5/2024.

you're completely missing the point, and making this into a usyk butt hugging post.

the point was being over age 35, still merits you to be a top P4P fighter.

Wrong. Usyk was initially rated P4P #1 by The Ring long before he ever fought Fury. To prove it here are their ratings in 2022. At one point Inoue briefly had the top spot only for Usyk to take it again and he's basically kept it ever since (Note: Bud Crawford was momentarily rated #1 after he beat Spence). Correcting you isn't "butt hugging", whatever that is.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

a lot of haters seem to discredit inoue's donaire win because --- "donaire was too old" excuse.
donaire was 36yrs old.

but according to those same haters, it doesn't appl when
canelo beats a 36 yr old ggg, to become the P4P king.
or when a 38 yr old beterbiev beats bivol.
& of course, a 37 yr old usyk is crowned the P4P king by beating a 36 yr old tyson fury (who's been prev. knocked down over 10x...)
so much for wear & tear.

mind you, crawford is also 37 yrs old.
as are 3 out of the top 5 P4P fighters.
so much for being discredited as over the hill at 36 yrs old.

Are you calling people haters for discrediting the Donaire win, or just not rating Donaire as his best win? Because it was a really good win, his best at the time, but it’s been surpassed by bigger threats and bigger accomplishment since.

 

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Are you calling people haters for discrediting the Donaire win, or just not rating Donaire as his best win? Because it was a really good win, his best at the time, but it’s been surpassed by bigger threats and bigger accomplishment since.

calling people haters for discrediting the Donaire win

donaire was not only a legend, but a killer at 118

 

[baconCrunch]

Wrong. Usyk was initially rated P4P #1 by The Ring long before he ever fought Fury. To prove it here are their ratings in 2022. At one point Inoue briefly had the top spot only for Usyk to take it again and he's basically kept it ever since (Note: Bud Crawford was momentarily rated #1 after he beat Spence). Correcting you isn't "butt hugging", whatever that is.

wrong
like i said inoue had it prior to 5/2024
the reason he overtook inoue was because of the fury win

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

wrong
like i said inoue had it prior to 5/2024
the reason he overtook inoue was because of the fury win

Funny how you completely ignored Usyk having been initially crowned their P4P king. It lasted about a year and he did it without Fury. It also wasn't just The Ring that had him rated #1. The first Fury win did allow Usyk to firmly overtake Crawford as the P4P #1 (again) but he likely could've fought any other top fighter in the division (ie., Parker) and overtaken them given how much size he's giving up every time he steps into the ring.

Oleksandr Usyk - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[baconCrunch]

Funny how you completely ignored Usyk having been initially crowned their P4P king. It lasted about a year and he did it without Fury. It also wasn't just The Ring that had him rated #1. The first Fury win did allow Usyk to firmly overtake Crawford as the P4P #1 (again) but he likely could've fought any other top fighter in the division (ie., Parker) and overtaken them given how much size he's giving up every time he steps into the ring.

Oleksandr Usyk - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

let me know when you get usyk's nuts out of your face.

he's overrated anyways.
he beat fury, who's better at getting media attention, than actually boxing.
plus he got knocked down by a 1st time mma guy.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

let me know when you get usyk's nuts out of your face.

he's overrated anyways.
he beat fury, who's better at getting media attention, than actually boxing.
plus he got knocked down by a 1st time mma guy.

Fury isn't the only guy that Usyk beat. Is he? You're acting like he only ever beat a single top heavyweight and excluding all of the top cruisers he also beat. Typical hater. I'm glad that Inoue isn't the top rated fighter in the sport right now because it makes salty fanboys like you cry about it.

PS. Media attention? Another false narrative. The people have made their choice and Inoue came up short.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Fury isn't the only guy that Usyk beat. Is he? You're acting like he only ever beat a single top heavyweight and excluding all of the top cruisers he also beat. Typical hater. I'm glad that Inoue isn't the top rated fighter in the sport right now because it makes salty fanboys like you cry about it.

PS. Media attention? Another false narrative. The people have made their choice and Inoue came up short.

I can accept Usyk being over Inoue but not Crawford, he's way too inactive and cherry picks too much to be above Inoue (this can change if he beat Canelo)

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I can accept Usyk being over Inoue but not Crawford, he's way too inactive and cherry picks too much to be above Inoue (this can change if he beat Canelo)

Some fans always have a problem when their favorite fighter isn't rated the P4P king. It reminds me of all the delusional Pac fanboys that were upset that Mayweather was rated above him. They were also saying that Mayweather was "overrated" and didn't deserve his spot. Imagine getting that upset about a theoretical concept that can never be proven. The only way it could ever be settled would be to have all of the top rated P4Pers fight which obviously isn't possible.

I also find it bizarre that this Bacon dude is bitching about bias. The P4P concept was created for lighter weight fighters. If there's any favoritism at all it'd be toward them. It's hard enough for heavyweights to make the Top 10 P4P lists as it is.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Some fans always have a problem when their favorite fighter isn't rated the P4P king. It reminds me of all the delusional Pac fanboys that were upset that Mayweather was rated above him. They were also saying that Mayweather was "overrated" and didn't deserve his spot. Imagine getting that upset about a theoretical concept that can never be proven. The only way it could ever be settled would be to have all of the top rated P4Pers fight which obviously isn't possible.

I also find it bizarre that this Bacon dude is bitching about bias. The P4P concept was created for lighter weight fighters. If there's any favoritism at all it'd be toward them. It's hard enough for heavyweights to make the Top 10 P4P lists as it is.

Yeah absolutely, it's only opinion in the end. I don't know if it's part of the consideration but I hold fighters going up in weight and winning world titles higher than those who stay in a division, so clearly Usyk and Inoue have achieved a lot in that way.

 

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[Blastbeat]

let me know when you get usyk's nuts out of your face.

he's overrated anyways.
he beat fury, who's better at getting media attention, than actually boxing.
plus he got knocked down by a 1st time mma guy.

Usyk is not overrated. he's undefeated and undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. both objectively harder to do than what Inoue's done because big men can knock you the fuck out with one punch. and I say this as a big Inoue fan.

Inoue can sit at #2 p4p until Usyk either retires or loses.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Usyk is not overrated. he's undefeated and undisputed at Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. both objectively harder to do than what Inoue's done because big men can knock you the fuck out with one punch. and I say this as a big Inoue fan.

Inoue can sit at #2 p4p until Usyk either retires or loses.

Exactly. As the old adage goes everyone hits hard at heavyweight. Even guys that aren't considered punchers like Usyk.

 

[Misery Signals]

Inoue can sit at #2 p4p until Usyk either retires or loses.

Are you saying its impossible for Inoue to get the top spot without Usyk failing? I had Inoue there already not too long ago and he can definitely take that spot. He fights more frequently for one and looks to be headed towards a fight with Nakatani. Usyk deserves to be where he is but is definitely not untouchable.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Are you saying its impossible for Inoue to get the top spot without Usyk failing? I had Inoue there already not too long ago and he can definitely take that spot. He fights more frequently for one and looks to be headed towards a fight with Nakatani. Usyk deserves to be where he is but is definitely not untouchable.

I don't think he's saying it's impossible but Inoue's next opponent is ranked #57 in the division. That won't help his situation. Usyk's next fight is likely a Dubois rematch (assuming the latter gets by Parker). An Inoue vs Nakatani super fight? Inoue's own promoter just said last month that it wasn't happening this year. Nor will Inoue be moving up to featherweight anytime soon.

 

[Misery Signals]

I don't think he's saying it's impossible but Inoue's next opponent is ranked #57 in the division. That won't help his situation. Usyk's next fight is likely a Dubois rematch (assuming the latter gets by Parker). An Inoue vs Nakatani super fight? Inoue's own promoter just said last month that it wasn't happening this year. Nor will Inoue be moving up to featherweight anytime soon.

A late replacement opponent isn't helping right now but he still fights very frequently. He could get 4 fights in this year and I dont think he's too far behind.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

A late replacement opponent isn't helping right now but he still fights very frequently. He could get 4 fights in this year and I dont think he's too far behind.

He does fight often but he'll likely need to beat multiple highly rated opponents to overtake Usyk in the rankings (unless Usyk loses). What he really needs are some big names on his resume alongside Donaire. Recognizable ones. That or he needs to jump up so far in weight that he can't be denied. Crawford is looking to do just that by fighting Canelo at SMW. If he were to win that fight then he'd surpass Usyk in the P4P rankings. Naturally the higher the risk, the higher the reward. Inoue has already moved up several divisions but he isn't giving up nearly as much weight as some of his fans seem to believe. The guy is almost 140 lbs on fight night even though he currently fights at 122.