International Moderna’s MRNA HIV and Flu Vaccines expected to trial this year

Very true. I was talking more about the potential since the low effectiveness of flu shots is a pretty big drawback.

And a flu shot is only good for one year anyway, so even if an mRNA flu shot was once a year, that wouldn’t even be a negative in it in terms of flu

Would be super nice if these were like the polio/measles/smallpox vaccines that were get once be good for life. With as much talk from pharmacy companies about testing boosters it’s not looking that way tho.
For reals. The flu shot is crap as is. I hope mRNA changes thing. But I want to see if it stays effective and humans don’t suddenly stop resplendent to the vaccines or something whacky
Dude, cure malaria already. I get mad almost everyday at malaria. Would love to see it wiped out. Way more than anything else. As if things go mad max, malaria is going endemic again. Friggin Sweden had endemic malaria for crying out loud
 
I hope you are right, but I'm not going to live my life hoping that this stuff pans out.

What does this mean, exactly?

What is the difference in your alternative life where you DO hope “this stuff pans out” and where where you do not? What exactly are the negative effects of, say, my entirely passive hope that HIV will one day be cured on my life that you would counsel me to avoid?
 
They’ve realized how much money they can make on vaccines even if they don’t work, so they’re releasing more lol
Bill Gates went from software to vaccines for a reason

By the way, Bill Gates is in the Fauci emails. Fauci communicates a lot about a former software guy that has no background in healthcare.
 
I wish they had that when I was younger. I can accept having to get my bore punched. But the incurable ones always scared the heck out of me.

What does this mean?
 
It took a global pandemic for billions of dollars finally being poured into synthetic mRNA technology, and the result is undeniable. One can only imagine what the healthcare landscape would looks like now if Katalin Kariko's "radical" original research were taken seriously 50 years ago.

After About 50 Years, the mRNA Revolution is Here

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Between the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines, there are two mRNA therapeutics on the market … the only two.

At least four years before the pandemic, Moderna and BioNTech were known as cutting-edge mavericks with completely unproven technology and sky-high market values. Moderna, in particular, was able to raise investor dollars—in January 2017 it had about $1 billion in cash, a Global Health Partnership with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and numerous grants from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), but no products on the market.

It was only in January 2017 that the company publicly updated the world on its 12 mRNA development candidates, which included vaccines and therapeutics in infectious diseases, immuno-oncology and cardiovascular diseases. Most of BioNTech’s efforts with mRNA were in the oncology space. But mRNA therapeutics were all promise, no impact, until now.

Katalin Kariko began working on mRNA therapeutics in the 1970s while working in her native Hungary. She and her family left Hungary for the U.S. in 1985 to work at Temple University in Philadelphia, then moved to the University of Pennsylvania’s School of Medicine. But her research was believed to be too radical and too financially risky.

Eventually, continuing her work despite resistance on the part of funders, she and her colleague at the University of Pennsylvania, Drew Weissman, developed an approach using synthetic mRNA. This is now the basis of the COVID-19 vaccines and Kariko is a senior vice president of BioNTech.

Stephane Bancel, speaking on a 16z podcast created by Silicon Valley VC firm Andreessen Horowitz, described how, having worked in infectious diseases his entire career, he had “developed an eye for outbreaks. So, one of the things I do is read The Wall Street Journal and The Financial Times every morning as I get up. And between Christmas and New Year of last year (2019), I noticed an article saying that there is a new pathogen agent in China giving pneumonia-like symptoms – that’s all it says.”

He worked regularly with Barney Gram, who worked for Anthony Fauci at the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and sent him an email asking him about it. He was told what little was known at the time—it was probably a virus, it’s a new coronavirus, and that in a couple of days the Chinese were going to have the virus’s sequence published online.

“And so on January 11 (2020),” Bancel said, “the Chinese put the sequence online and our team at Moderna used the sequence to design a vaccine. Barney’s team did the same thing. And when they shared notes after around 48 hours, they’d designed exactly the same vaccine.”

The importance of this can’t be understated. Without actually having samples of the virus, using digital information about the viral genome, they were able to design a vaccine within 48 hours!

Bancel said, “We thought it up in silico, we never had access to a physical virus. And we designed the vaccine and we got the two teams at NIH and Moderna because we were so worried about making a mistake in the vaccine design, as you can imagine. So we were super happy when the team literally compared notes after two days with exactly the same design for our vaccine. Because it was an outbreak and we knew every day mattered. At the same time, we started to make a clinical-grade product to go into Phase I. And what’s really remarkable is that the vaccine that was reviewed by the FDA on December 17, it’s exactly the same vaccine that our guys designed in January in silico. We never changed one atom, it’s exactly the same molecule.”

Now that the mRNA technology has crashed through the proof-of-concept barrier as it sped toward ending the worst global pandemic in a century in record time, researchers are looking to where mRNA therapeutics might go next. The sky would appear to be the limit, as earlier backers of the research believed.

A research team at Yale recently patented a similar RNA-based approach to vaccinate against malaria. Pfizer has indicated they plan to use mRNA for its seasonal flu vaccines because it’s so easy to edit. BioNTech, as mentioned earlier, is working on cancer therapeutics—they are individualized therapies that could manufacture on-demand proteins associated with specific tumors that help the body’s immune system fend off advanced cancer. In other approaches, mRNA therapies have slowed and reversed multiple sclerosis in mouse models.

“I’m fully convinced even more than before that mRNA can be broadly transformational,” Özlem Türeci, BioNTech’s chief medical officer, told The Atlantic. “In principle, everything you can do with protein can be substituted by mRNA.”

This is not to say there aren’t limitations. As both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have demonstrated, mRNA can be fragile and currently requires very cold storage and transportation temperatures. There may also be significant limitations in other diseases—infectious diseases tended to be viewed as low-hanging fruit for mRNA therapeutics, more readily applicable.

“This has been a coming-out party for mRNA, for sure,” John Mascola, director of the Vaccine Research Center at NIAID, told The Atlantic. “In the world of science, RNA technology could be the biggest story of the year. We didn’t know if it worked. And now we do.”

But before we turn the corner on a new age of drug development, it’s worth remembering that it took 40+ years to get this far for two products.

Türeci, despite the overall optimism, noted, “I do not claim that mRNA is the holy grail for everything. We are going to find that there are diseases where mRNA is surprisingly successful and diseases where it’s not. We have to prove it for each and every infectious disease, one by one.”
https://www.biospace.com/article/the-mrna-revolution-is-here-and-it-took-about-50-years/
 
It took a global pandemic for billions of dollars finally being poured into synthetic mRNA technology, and the result is undeniable. One can only imagine what the healthcare landscape would looks like now if Katalin Kariko's "radical" original research were taken seriously 50 years ago.

After About 50 Years, the mRNA Revolution is Here

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https://www.biospace.com/article/the-mrna-revolution-is-here-and-it-took-about-50-years/

You should see what the architect of mRNA has to say.
 
Not until you are dying by then it’s too late. Many people with your attitude have been in the same situation. You scoff at emerging medical break-through while at the same time missing that you are only afforded the luxury of living a long life because of it.

I have never had an actual flu in my entire life. It's pretty rare for healthy people to get more than a common cold. With covid coming to the forefront the rates are dropping greatly here in Australia.

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm

It's a 2015 study people on average over 30 get the flu once every 5 years.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31698038

I will take my chances.
 
Not until you are dying by then it’s too late. Many people with your attitude have been in the same situation. You scoff at emerging medical break-through while at the same time missing that you are only afforded the luxury of living a long life because of it.

And many people have developed pharmacological dependencies, or died/been injured because of severe reactions to drugs they are taking. Stop simping for big pharma. There are risks and dangers with every medication, those risks and dangers are sometimes well understood, but many times they are not. Whether someone wants to take a specific medication should always be up to them.
 
That would be nice if an HIV vaccine came out and was successful. I'm not the biggest believer in the official definition of HIV as the cause of AIDS. But have always thought a vaccine for HIV would be wonderful, most likely. Hope it is safe of course, which I suspect it would be.
 
You guys don’t think the people that rule the nations of the world won’t have any nefarious plans for mRNA?

think again
Are there any other instances In history where a government has forced vaccinations on people that turned out well lol
 
I know I’m being petty here but can we start with a cure for the common cold? 7 days of hell that we all get at some point. Boogies, headaches, clogged ears, fatigue, sneezing, couching.....it sux moose balls.
I think an HIV cure would create a rise in Herpes, Syphlis and the clap so they should work on those too.
 
I know I’m being petty here but can we start with a cure for the common cold? 7 days of hell that we all get at some point. Boogies, headaches, clogged ears, fatigue, sneezing, couching.....it sux moose balls.
I think an HIV cure would create a rise in Herpes, Syphlis and the clap so they should work on those too.

Its suspected mRNA could cause immune disorders hence the uptake in interest.
 
They wish to push sexual debauchery. That will be fixed as quickly as they can.

they will never cure cancer, Bc they’d lose so much money from treatments, and they don’t want the elderly(our parents) living long lives collecting social security.

they want people to pay into it all life as an extra tax, and then drop dead right at retirement age

Ah yes...They. That most timeless of right wing boogeymen.

Not that it needs to be stated, but you, once again, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Millions of people have had their cancer successfully treated with modern medicine. Millions of people have had their HIV successfully treated with modern medicine. Millions of people have been saved from deadly diseases thanks to vaccines created by modern medicine.

All cancer can, and will eventually, be solved through science and medicine, whether with some variation on current treatments, or with nanotech, synthetic organ replacements, et cetera, in the future.

Why does it seem like so many conservatives are so anti-science that they might as well be pro-disease?
 
Ah yes...They. That most timeless of right wing boogeymen.

Not that it needs to be stated, but you, once again, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Millions of people have had their cancer successfully treated with modern medicine. Millions of people have had their HIV successfully treated with modern medicine. Millions of people have been saved from deadly diseases thanks to vaccines created by modern medicine.

All cancer can, and will eventually, be solved through science and medicine, whether with some variation on current treatments, or with nanotech, synthetic organ replacements, et cetera, in the future.

Why does it seem like so many conservatives are so anti-science that they might as well be pro-disease?
I understand that if medical technology keeps going the cure in some way will be found. No doubt. Hell they may have it is. I’m saying that the cure won’t be available to the common masses.

take that to the bank
 
And many people have developed pharmacological dependencies, or died/been injured because of severe reactions to drugs they are taking. Stop simping for big pharma. There are risks and dangers with every medication, those risks and dangers are sometimes well understood, but many times they are not. Whether someone wants to take a specific medication should always be up to them.

Im simping for human life and caring for others. No one is being forced to take the vaccine, you still have a choice. But like many things, including going to public school, some things may require you are vaccinated to prevent the spread of certain diseases. You guys are making a fight against comething that been around for decades.
 
The media talks about health all the time. Where have you been? Heart disease and obesity are the number one killers. It’s as if you think the argument over cholesterols and smoking never happened. Someone with diabetes can’t sleep it off. Someone with a heart defect can’t sleep it off.

He is talking about the news in Russia......
 
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