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International Moderna’s MRNA HIV and Flu Vaccines expected to trial this year

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  1. Hadron90 Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    This vaccine hasn't been around for decades. This is why no one wants to concede anything to the left. Everything becomes a slippery slope with you guys. People agree that vaccinating their children against polio with a vaccine available for 60 years is a good idea, and next thing you know I'm expected to enroll in whatever experimental medical trials Pfizer is having this week to enter a fucking super market.
     
  2. 44nutman The Original Nut of Sherdog Yellow Card

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    Will I still be able to keep my magnetic powers I got from the COVID vaccination?
    I think the new vaccine for the HIV is so they can take those magnetic powers away. It actually does not work for the HIV, but the Globalists cant have a bunch of Magnetos running around.
     
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  3. Heisenboom I see all. Platinum Member

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  4. Ophydian Silver Belt

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    Not the vaccine but how in some situations, a vaccine is required. What I mean is that it’s not a totally new concept. When polio first was introduced, I’m sure a large portion of the population didn’t want to inject a new technology in vaccines. But in time people came around and lives were saved. In time you’ll come to love mRNA vaccines for how beneficial they’ve become. Hell one may save your life in the future.
     
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  6. maximus__ Brown Belt

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    I admittedly only recently became aware how effective HIV treatment is. Pretty interesting to see they can drop the viral load so low it's virtually not transmissible.

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/livingwithhiv/treatment.html
     
  7. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    The biggest fishes obviously gonna get tackled first by the private sector because of the much bigger potential return of investment. The cost for current HIV antiviral cocktails runs in the thousands of dollars per course, versus a few bucks for the OTC stuff to eleviates cold symptoms.

    When the mRNA cures for all those other diseases are brought to market, this time made possible by private investments, chances are they gonna cost a small fortune because the shareholders expects big profitability.

    Ofcourse, you can always try to convince your governments to pour billions of tax dollars into an mRNA vaccine/cure for the common cold and put in a pre-purchase order of hundreds of millions of shots at ~$25 each like Operation Warp Speed did for Covid. I personally doubt we gonna see something that amazing again in our lifetime though, unless we are hit with another global pandemic. :cool:
     
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  8. Beechwood Purple Belt

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    That is what I understand, HIV treatments have come a long ways since the first drug treatment of using high doses of the toxic chemotherapy drug AZT. Back then some were complaining that it would be difficult to know what killed a patient, the disease or the treatment.
     
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  9. Ayin Black Belt

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    That’s an interesting thought to pursue: when didn’t taking the Polio Vaccine become a “safe” course of action? It could not have been upon initial developement, correct? Or even early widescale rollout?

    Treatment for HIV is indeed pretty impressive in the modern world.
     
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  10. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    God is the only architect who designed mRNA and DNA, in both humans and other animals. He expressed no opinions thus far, as far as I know. Did the Vatican made an announcement that we all missed?

    On the other hand, here is the history of how human scientists (Sydney Brenner, François Jacob, Jim Watson, et al) successfully isolated mRNA and studied it since 1961:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098221500606

    Then scientists began dabbling in mRNA vaccine research in animals over the next five decades, many have tried to make a working mRNA vaccine for humans and all have stumbled with the immune response problem (where the body promptly destroys the introduced mRNA molecules).

    That all changed in 2005, when Dr. Katalin Kariko and her colleague Dr. Drew Weissmann at the University of Pennsylvania finally figured out the solution, using
    modified nucleoside - the long awaited breakthrough that finally made mRNA vaccines a reality:

    https://the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/

    In fact, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna-NAID COVID vaccines utilize mRNA technology licensed from the University of Pennsylvania and use the same innovations Dr. Kariko and Weissman co-invented and patented. They are both rewarded handsomely ofcourse, with funding now secured for their on-going research into other mRNA vaccine applications.

    So, specifically which of the hundreds of men and women who contributed to mRNA research from 1961 until now are you bizarrely referring to as "THE architect of mRNA"?

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  11. Heisenboom I see all. Platinum Member

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    https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

    IT ALL STARTED WHEN…
    Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies.

    It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice).

    This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081

    His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection and also methods for mRNA stabilization - now being claimed as invented by others. These are available for review.

    His research was continued at Vical in 1989, where the first in-vivo mammalian rat experiments were designed by him. The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and at Vical by Dr. Malone, this included dosing amounts for the in-vivo experiments. RNA and DNA were sent to Dr. Jon Wolff via Fedex. Dr.Wolff at the University of Wisconsin injected mice and rats. The initial patent disclosures for RNA and DNA vaccination were written by Dr. Malone in 1988-1989. Dr. Malone was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989.

    This body of work resulted in over 10 patents and numerous publications, yielding about 7000 citations for this work. The first paper is:

    Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles, is the result of that work.

    In 1989, research was performed that gave rise to the 10+ groundbreaking patents on mRNA vaccination, all with a priority date of March 3, 1989. This is the same priority date as the Salk Patent application, showing that the two institutions were working together (without Robert’s knowledge). These patents are the first published research on mRNA vaccination. The titles and links to the patents are listed in the documents below.

    Vical was to license the Salk Technology. Instead, they hired Robert’s thesis advisor from the Salk and soon after, the Salk dropped the patent and Vical never pursued a license from the Salk. Due to an employee contract with Vical, this stopped Robert from working in the field commercially for a decade. Vical claimed all the Salk research happened at Vical and sent a cease and desist letter.

    Dr. Malone carried on his research into mRNA vaccination during the 1990s, culminating in a mucosal patent that was issued in 2000. He also helped revolutionized the field of cationic liposomes for the use in RNA vaccinations. This work was so far ahead of its time, that only now is the world turning to mucosal mRNA vaccination as a method of immunization. For a listing of some of his work, see the publications at the end of this page.

    Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University Medical School (Clinical Research Post Graduate) , and in Pathology at UC Davis, He has almost 100 peer-reviewed publications, and has been an invited speaker at about 50 conferences.
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  12. Andy Capp Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Vaccines based on deactivated virus may not work all that well but there is no reason to expect the same of a vaccine based upon this mRNA tech. But I'm betting you don't care because having a connection with context, or reality for that matter, isn't a factor in what you post.
     
  13. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    ROFLMAO! Malone's personal website listing his mRNA research in frog and mice (like thousands others who contributed to the field) and self-proclaimed title of "inventor of mRNA vaccines" (without having a single successful mRNA vaccine - neither for humans nor animals - credited to his name) is proof that he's is "THE Architect of mRNA"? Why not just call him God while you're at it!<Lmaoo>

    Before this "architect" designed mRNA and basically created the animal kingdom in 1988, what the heck was that they discovered back in 1961? :confused:

    I know the WR is the land of hyperbole, but this "Architect of mRNA" is on a whole new level. o_O

    ...actually, do you even know what the hell Messenger RNA is? Here's a hint: your body is full of it since before you were born, and he certainly didn't put them there.

    The most hilarious thing is, I'm pretty sure you belong to the same demographics who believe that mRNA applications, which have been experimented and studied for over 40 years by thousands of scientists, are "brand new, rushed, and untested", until this guy came along and try to claim the sole credit for himself, then suddenly it was successfully invented decades ago? :eek:

    Here's a tip: Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are not paying this "Architect of mRNA" a single dime. They are paying the two scientists from the University of Pennsylvania whose invention finally made mRNA vaccines a reality, and their contribution is widely recognized by the scientific community at large, without the need to make their own blog with to push ridiculous claims to prove it.
     
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  14. GoldenWolf87 Brown Belt

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    Will Moderna flu and HIV make it to the markets this time? problary not.
     
  15. Limit Smasher Brown Belt

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    How is that a right wing post? It's obvious that cancer treatment is a massive profit source for some people and those people definitely don't want a cure
     
  16. Topguntrophey Brown Belt

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    This is the time they use vaccines finally for their evil doing. They've been waiting for decades...
     
  17. Heisenboom I see all. Platinum Member

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    He has 12k citations at least to his name:
    https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en

    No name calling, accept the information and move on. We only want the best.
     
  18. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    And yet none of those research citations are anywhere near these hyperbolic claims of "The Inventor of mRNA vaccine", much less "the Architect of mRNA".

    He's simply a researcher, one of many thousands who contributed to the field of mRNA study. Leave it at that, unless you can actually name a single disease known to man that he supposedly invented a working mRNA vaccine for. A real mRNA vaccine that actually exists and recognized by a real medical journal, not by personal blogs and spread via social media.
     
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  19. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    This is from 8 months ago, but I feel like the history behind the world's first working mRNA vacccines is still foreign to a lot of people, so here it is again.

    The story of mRNA: How a once-dismissed idea became a leading technology in the Covid vaccine race
    By Damian Garde — STAT and Jonathan Saltzman — Boston Globe | Nov. 10, 2020

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    Katalin Karikó, a senior vice president at BioNTech overseeing its mRNA work, in her home office in Rydal, Penn.
    Read the full article at:
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10...leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/
     
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  20. Heisenboom I see all. Platinum Member

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    I appreciate the debate.<mma4>
     

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