Modern UFC fighters going through Lions Den tryouts?

[dog y]

What is? the try out?

I mean, its a solid program for conditioning and stamina. A bit excess but then, lots of old school catch wrestlers trained like this as did old school judokas. Kimura the greatest judoka had his students do 1,000 push ups, though it was what they called diver bomb push up or Hindu push ups.

1k pushups per day? Everyday?
Id be ripped beyond reality.

 

[grimballer]

Ken never came across as best conditioned fighter

 

[dog y]

Did they have to do all 200 pushups in a row or was it cumulative? I don't know a lot guys, even pretty fit ones that can do 200 pushups in a row. I've seen a people do a hundred before, but 200? In a row?

100 is achievable in 4 weeks somewhat easily if youre not a fatass.
200... Never heard of it.
Its like benching over 300. Imposibru.

 

[Ogata]

As someone who actually has a solid base in exercise science this forum constantly amazes me. The amount of broscience on here is astonishing.

This workout will do nothing for you but injure you. Period.

But since Sherdog has decided the only way to build cardio is running like a marathon runner, then it stands to reason everyone can get behind this.

Ewww!

People like you are what's wrong with the world of fitness. Pencil neck freaks who memorize a book and pretend to be a know it all!

 

[HHJ]

It SEEMS like something Ken would put his guys through. Its an old pro wrestling mentality. "If your not tough enough to do this,then get the fuck out of here."

 

[Diet Butcher]

 

[Ogata]

That's a normal day for us sherbros

Amen to that brother!

Our warm up= UFC fighters workouts...

 

[CerebralKnievel]

A gimmick would have been something that upped the clientele. Ken's tryouts washed out the majority of guys.

And all I recall is Ken demanding that his team on TUF spend days bench pressing in a weight room. Hardly sounds like something a cardio master would employ as a training regimen.

 

[Ogata]

So I guess you like being stupid, hurt all the time, and never actually reaching your physical potential.

Right on, bro.

Like I said you pencil neck geeks want to make fitness accessible for pussies.

When you train hard you recover hard as well. You resort to radical recovery techniques and nutrition as oppose to making training weak.

 

[Mike Haggar]

Except most peds DONT help your cardio, and make you put on tons of oxygen draining, unnecessary muscle mass.

Says who?

This stuff is a common, unknowledgeable, myth. Low dose test will increase RBC, thereby allowing for a stronger cardiovascular engine, without putting on a serious increase of mass.

I'll tell you this most serious athletes who use, aren't dosing 1000mg/wk on test... Most these athletes also don't train like body builders.

Test is what their using, or designer PEDs that mimic the effects of test but can skate a screen.

Simply because you can gain allot of weight on PEDs does not mean you have to.

 

[tbaumann]

Says who?

This stuff is a common, unknowledgeable, myth. Low dose test will increase RBC, thereby allowing for a stronger cardiovascular engine, without putting on a serious increase of mass.

I'll tell you this most serious athletes who use, aren't dosing 1000mg/wk on test... Most these athletes also don't train like body builders.

Test is what their using, or designer PEDs that mimic the effects of test but can skate a screen.

Simply because you can gain allot of weight on PEDs does not mean you have to.

Point taken, and you are right, a lot of the mma fighters that test positive are taking test, likely to stay lean, for recovery etc.

But I think Ken was clearly in the other category, putting on a ton of muscle mass, and never having impressive cardio.

 

[pamirec]

This workout has "injuries" written all over it. I'm happy for those that didn't try that shit.

 

[Ogata]

Lol you have no proper rebuttal because you know your wrong and yet you cant own up to it. The human body has the ability to adapt, not saying they should train like that everyday but the human body can reach amazing levels and yet we have wimps and wussy planet fitness dorks like you discouraging people to push themselves one step further and BEYOND!!!

 

[UFC=Pride]

Can CM Punk make it through

 

[Ogata]

Naw, bro. I’m just not about to bust out my anatomy and physiology texts because literally no matter how I try to explain it to you you wouldn’t believe me anyway.

And, dude, it’s not about not pushing yourself. It’s about training to perform. Not training to break the body down and be riddled with injuries when you’re in your 40’s.

Like I said, enjoy being stupid and hurt all the time.

Again you provide no real answer. Your basically being dismissive. I didn't say you train like that everyday and you reply as if I am sayin you should.


Oh and if you want to perform you do have to push yourself and have will power and persistence as well as some sort of inner strength. Doesn't mean you have to kill yourself everyday but you do have to have days that you push yourself to its limit and then you can have some maintenance days until the nervous system gets accustomed to the work load. But in the beginning you have to stress the system so the body can experience a new surge of energy.


This is what Ken Shamrock does, it works for tournament settings since it allows the fighters to dig deep down to go through multiple fights in one fight. Oh and in case of regular fights, Ken uses the Dinosaur training method that was pioneered by Brook Kubik and Kens teacher in that training method is strength and conditioning legend:

Kim Wood

Mr. Kim Wood trained the Cincinnati Bengals for 30 years! He was a strength and conditioning coach before they were strength and conditioning coaches and Ken uses the same conditioning methods as Kim wood. Now a days anyone can get a certificate by memorizing bunch of text books and pretend to be experts.


By the way, how many pro athletes do you train bro?

 

[Mike Haggar]

Point taken, and you are right, a lot of the mma fighters that test positive are taking test, likely to stay lean, for recovery etc.

But I think Ken was clearly in the other category, putting on a ton of muscle mass, and never having impressive cardio.

Most definitely on the Ken Shamrock point, back then allot of those fighters used too much and were overly focused on strength and size.

 

[Ogata]

Most definitely on the Ken Shamrock point, back then allot of those fighters used too much and were overly focused on strength and size.

True, I remember Rogan mentioned how the culture of MMA was focused on strength and power due to the influences of Kimo Leopoldo who showed the world that there is merits to pure power and raw strength. Of course you then had the next version in Mark Kerr, Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Sean Sherk as well as Phil Baroni and Pat Militich who had wrestling backgrounds but they were still strong physical dudes who were heavily in to strength and conditioning.

I am sure Ken Shamrock decided to continue to be part of that model while Frank Shamrock wanted to be more of a martial artist and prosper from the stand point of technique and cardio as oppose to being a straight forward destroyer which led him to split from Ken and go training at American Kickboxing Academy with Javier Mendez which funny enough later became more of an MMA camp.

 

[king of theRing]

i call bullshit on this when Sham coached TUF his team barely trained at all just playing soccer and other stupid shit

He did a couple of things like the sand bags. But most of their training was hard sparring, rolling and treadmill

 

[LSU]

Roy Nelson, and I am not joking

He would crush it until the pull-up part, he wouldn’t be able to do even one