Both Cain and JDS are much better fighters than Stipe. We will soon see Entitlement Stipe get beat down again.
The real statement is that Stipe hasn't faced anybody like Werdum. When Stipe fights any really good top tier fighters he crumbles.
Miocic on Werdum: "he hasn't fought someone like me"
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Both Cain and JDS are much better fighters than Stipe. We will soon see Entitlement Stipe get beat down again.
The real statement is that Stipe hasn't faced anybody like Werdum. When Stipe fights any really good top tier fighters he crumbles.
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Werdum has never fought a boxer like Stipe.
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Did you see how awful Cain's striking looked in his last fight? We're not comparing their fights with JDS which btw, Junior won the first fight by KO'ing Cain.
No head movement, poor footwork, he just plodded forward and Werdum completely torched him on the feet, controlled him easily in the clinch, dropped him with a big knee, he beat Cain up so badly on the feet that Cain had no other choice but to shoot a sloppy takedown on Werdum. It was one of the worst displays of striking defense I've ever seen, Stipe is far more methodical than Cain and has much better movement, footwork and an overall understanding of defense which is something that Cain has never truly had dating back to the Kongo fight.
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Yeah, junior, who eeked out a semi controversial 5 round decision in a bloody fire fight is 'much better' than Stipe. Smart thinking there
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and they would all be correct, in a weird way.
Everyone is different.
Even the same fighter fighting against the same opponent will change things.
So yeah, every fighter can say this... that does not mean a good or bad thing though. Just stating a fact!
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I pretty much agree with what you are saying. I do think you are SO grossly disrespectful of Gonzaga's ground game.
Did you [honestly I mean really] watch either of Gonzaga's fights with Werdum?
99.999% of Sherdog has not and just reads fight finder.
There wasn't an honest person that can say that in Jungle fights that Gonzaga was NOT SO COMPLETELY dominant in grappling between the two that he made Werdum look like Lavar Johnson on the ground.
What was it like 6-8 Gonzaga take downs to (0?) for Werdum? Like 9 minutes of top control in the first two rounds for Gonzaga? Was there anyone on Earth that didn't KNOW that it was 20-18 after two rounds in favor of the vastly superior grappler in Gonzaga? Werdum's corner 100% acknowledged that it wasn't close and required a finish in the 3rd round to not lose to Gabriel, was their anyone who disagreed with his own corner?
Werdum is SEVERE desperation to win turned to his obvious advantage and KTFO'd the vastly inferior striker in Gonzaga!!! This was 2005 (The year that Werdum won ADCC - supposedly his peak in submission grappling, and Gabriel is two years younger than Werdum!.
You can GUARANTEE that hurt Fabricio's pride. When they fought the second time much later in the UFC, Werdum was hellbent to prove that getting tooled in Grappling was an aberration. Unfortunatly round 1 of their contest in the Octagon proved no different. Werdum SIMPLY is not on the level of Gonzaga in submission grappling. It became abundantly clear however the improvement in Werdum's striking. He didn't mess around and went for the kill in the standup and KTFO'd Gabriel in round 2 rather than continuing to try to "pound" a square peg into a round hole!
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He's fought a better striker in (Roided up) Ubereem.
I'll give him a good chance in the stand up though,he can hold his own against anyone.
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Whatever Final Say.
You are the single Sherdog poster that is incapable of noticing any difference between Pre-Cain JDS and post Cain JDS.
OK, Stipe lost to the best version of JDS we have ever seen, better?
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Bro, we know about your Croatian nationality & you have a soft place for Stipe. But don't let that fondness make you blind.
Though I believe Cain & Stipe are both different fighters. Both are wrestler turned boxer but they have different elements. Cain has great pressure game & great Takedowns, but Stipe is more clinical/technical Striker with better Top control. So I will give you that.
But all this talk about JDS deterring because of the beating he received from Stipe, is pure comical. By saying that you are doing a great disservice to Alistair. Alistair won that match because he came up with a great gameplan & he is more talented Striker. Therefore he succeeded beating JDS while Stipe failed.
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Agree. Werdum's striking has volume, and he is very aggressive. However, provided he doesn't fold under pressure, I believe Stipe could exploit holes in Werdum's game. It's not that Werdum is the heavyweight Anderson Silva in terms of striking technique.
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I disagree that Overeem is a better striker. More powerful and thus a bit more dangerous in exchanes, but not better.
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Forget about Alistair, He faced Kharitonov, who is better Striker than Stipe.
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Seriously the most generic quote ever
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O yea he did at UFC 188.
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I already mentioned this. I do agree. Kharitonov destroyed a 7' striker with WAY longer (88" reach) that Struve.
If ANYONE is stupid enough to think 7' Struve is in 6'11.5" Shilt's league in striking is a serious dim wit.
Kharitonov would rape Stipe in K-1, and likely would beat him in MMA.
Struve can't in his wettest dream think of getting compared to Semmy in striking. Damn!
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Says the guy who got KTFO by Stefan Struve.
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Let me put this into perspective.
Stipe has a long reach even for HW (80").
He has fought EXACTLY one fighter with a longer reach (Struve - 84.5") and got his butt KTFO'd!!!
Since Struve raped Stipe, Stipe has fought nobody with reach > 77"!!!
- He lost to 77" reach JDS.
- He beat a fighter with 77" reach, but an even higher age in Arlovski. (OK good win against ONLY ranked fighter that he has ever beaten without T-Rex arms in the HW division!
He does beat HW fighters with particularly short arms that the UFC has padded his recent (4 YEAR) UFC career with. In descending sequence by reach!
76" Gonzaga
75" Maldonado (A LHW)
74" Hunt
72" Roy Nelson
Just out of curiosity, why is it that we think that Stipe is going to manage beating 77" reach Werdum again?
Stipe has a long reach even for HW (80").
He has fought EXACTLY one fighter with a longer reach (Struve - 84.5") and got his butt KTFO'd!!!
Since Struve raped Stipe, Stipe has fought nobody with reach > 77"!!!
- He lost to 77" reach JDS.
- He beat a fighter with 77" reach, but an even higher age in Arlovski. (OK good win against ONLY ranked fighter that he has ever beaten without T-Rex arms in the HW division!
He does beat HW fighters with particularly short arms that the UFC has padded his recent (4 YEAR) UFC career with. In descending sequence by reach!
76" Gonzaga
75" Maldonado (A LHW)
74" Hunt
72" Roy Nelson
Just out of curiosity, why is it that we think that Stipe is going to manage beating 77" reach Werdum again?
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Agree with Werdum
