Minotauro has 3 TIMES more Top 10 Wins than Frank Mir

[Liquid Smoke]

Mir lost to Ian Freeman before the accident and had 1 good win in his entire career up to that point.

Chuck lost to Jeremy Horn and if he got hurt and never got to fight Tito or Randy again his career would look a little different.

That's all I'm saying guys, let's unbunch them panties before it's too late...

 

[Hans Gruber]

Why not? Nog was past his prime one fight removed from winning the interim belt....

He was past his prime well before that. He won the belt anyway. Look at old threads calling for Nog to retire before he even joined the UFC.

Check out this thread for an example
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-80-blind-one-eye-health-fading-540536/


He had a ton of health issues in 2005. but would still find ways to win.

Before he joined the UFC one of his eyes was supposedly 80% blind and he wasn't moving the way he used to. When he joined the UFC a guy that he beat relatively easily 2 times before almost KOed him.

It was well known in 2007 that Nog wasn't at his best anymore. What make you think he would still be at his best in 2014 (7 years later which is an eternity in MMA)

 

[Rudeboyben84]

He was past his prime well before that. He won the belt anyway. Look at old threads calling for Nog to retire before he even joined the UFC.

Check out this thread for an example
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-80-blind-one-eye-health-fading-540536/


He had a ton of health issues in 2005. but would still find ways to win.

Before he joined the UFC one of his eyes was supposedly 80% blind and he wasn't moving the way he used to. When he joined the UFC a guy that he beat relatively easily 2 times before almost KOed him.

It was well known in 2007 that Nog wasn't at his best anymore. What make you think he would still be at his best in 2014 (7 years later which is an eternity in MMA)

Well said, Mir hadn't hit a downhill slide like Nog, infact Mirs striking really improved in his later career and he looked in better shape.

Nog from day 1 in the UFC looked past his best and as you say that was against Herring, it wasn't that he couldnt beat "UFC level fighters"

 

[Hans Gruber]

Well said, Mir hadn't hit a downhill slide like Nog, infact Mirs striking really improved in his later career and he looked in better shape.

Nog from day 1 in the UFC looked past his best and as you say that was against Herring, it wasn't that he couldnt beat "UFC level fighters"

You are right. Mir has looked better in recent years (even though he is losing now) His gas tank is much better and he seems to be in better shape. It will be interesting to see how Mir does without the TRT now that it is banned. Even with Mir's improved striking Slo Nog was still lighting him up on the feet in the 2nd fight.

Mir has been stopped with strikes many times in his career now so I doubt his chin is as good as it used to be (even though it never was great)

Anyway, people tend to forget that barely anyone from Nog's era are still around. Who else is around from the 90's? Henderson, Vitor, Wanderlei...that is about it.

When Mir has 46 fights under his belt lets see how well he is still fighting. Does Mir have over 20 fights left in his career?

No disrespect to Mir but he hasn't had a better career. He may be the better fighter of the 2 nowadays but he wasn't always.

Hell, if Herring came out of retirement to fight Nog a 4th time I would pick Herring over Nog. That is how slow he has gotten.

 

[rusty1007]

I'm just making light of the fact that people view their heroes, under their "particular", set of standards. Never mentioned 2014, so I can't help ya there. I have heard people say how great Nog looked against Couture but use "the natural" as a con against Lesnar. I rarely post so don't get too excited.

 

[76Knockout]

Mir>>Nog

Simple.

 

[rusty1007]

Hell Cro Cop started his decline at 4:51, in the first round, against Gonzaga. Everything after does not count.

 

[Etherized]

Nog needs to retire. This proves that he has nothing left to prove.

 

[HOLA]

Mir breaking his arm was great. Certain people here were so angry, blaming Herb Dean, haha.

 

[SharkBoy]

Mir>>Nog

Simple.

Simpleton

 

[Bargey]

Mike Browne beat Faber twice - he is better than Faber
Hallman beat Hughes twice - he is better than Matt Hughes
Weidman beat Anderson twice - he has had a better career than Anderson Silva
Wanderlei beat Rampage twice - Rampage would never stand a chance against Wanderlei (oops...wait)

A younger Nog beat guys like Werdum and Barnett back in the day. Barnett crushed Mir.


Ian Freeman is better than Mir
Pe De Pano is better than Mir
Vera is better than Mir
Mir is barely better than Dan Christensen (since he barely beat him)

See how wrong that sounds?

Anyway Nog is much slower than he used to be and clearly isn't the same fighter. Watch how fast he is in his 2004 fight with Sergei and then watch how amazingly slow he is today. A guy that Nog soundly beat twice (Herring) almost KOed him cold later in his career. He is clearly not the same.

Stop making excuses. Nog has always looked slow. In 2004 he was slow. In 2013 he was slow. When you comprehensively destroy a guy twice by strikes then sub and you've also been undisputed champion then you're just better than that guy - period.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Hell Cro Cop started his decline at 4:51, in the first round, against Gonzaga. Everything after does not count.

Cro Cop started his decline because of the loss to Gonzaga. Just like Liddell declined because of the loss to Rampage. Sometimes guys are never the same after a knockout.

Their chins were shot.

Cro Cop did decent against Kongo and won the 1st round in his next fight. He was then kneed in the nuts repeatedly and lost rounds 2 and 3. I have never seen someone get kneed in the nuts so many times without the opponent getting a point taken away. That fight should have been a draw at worst with the nut shots. Kongo later admitted to hitting him in the nuts on purpose and he gets credit for a win?

Cro Cop held on longer than Liddell and looked decent here and there until years later when he got stopped by Schaub, Mir, and Nelson.

 

[rusty1007]

Honestly, Liddell looked to be slowing down in the second Ortiz fight.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Stop making excuses. Nog has always looked slow. In 2004 he was slow. In 2013 he was slow. When you comprehensively destroy a guy twice by strikes then sub and you've also been undisputed champion then you're just better than that guy - period.

Dennis Hallman has had a better career than Matt Hughes. You heard it here 1st
Mike Brown has had a better career than Faber
Weidman has had a better career than Anderson

Look at how slow Nog is today and look at how well he used to move.

Fight starts around the 9:00 minute mark


You are blind if you can't see a difference.

These aren't excuses. Every fighter declines eventually. Nog is one of the last fighters fighting at a high level that started fighting in the 90's His time is over. It happens to everyone.

 

[miltonwaddams]

dude, let it go...no one is going to argue with you that Big Nog is a top 5 GOAT at heavyweight

...but Mir owns him like a rented mule, even if he isnt a better fighter from a record perspective

 

[rusty1007]

Maybe the Horn fight actually. At some point he stopped "fighting" and was just looking for the knockout....or lost a step. Either way that's what happens. Learning curve at the beginning, deteriorating skills at the end. The legends of any sport beat the odds a majority of the time.

 

[nosoultosell**]

dude, let it go...no one is going to argue with you that Big Nog is a top 5 GOAT at heavyweight

...but Mir owns him like a rented mule, even if he isnt a better fighter from a record perspective

This.

 

[Malas]

Nog is like a top ten GOAT. Mir will never touch his legacy.

 

[Bargey]

Dennis Hallman has had a better career than Matt Hughes. You heard it here 1st
Mike Brown has had a better career than Faber
Weidman has had a better career than Anderson

Look at how slow Nog is today and look at how well he used to move.

Fight starts around the 9:00 minute mark


You are blind if you can't see a difference.

These aren't excuses. Every fighter declines eventually. Nog is one of the last fighters fighting at a high level that started fighting in the 90's His time is over. It happens to everyone.

Sounds like excuses. Or Mir hating. Nog's time is up - I agree. But he fought Mir the first time 6 years ago when he was 30 years old. Big difference say between that and Anderson being 37/38 against Weidman.

I think Nog has been high level. Career v career against Mir he probably edges it. Mir's motorcycle accident really put him behind the 8 ball there. But Mir is a better head to head fighter than Nog. That's pretty much all there is to it.

 

[ShreddinMMA]

The fact that you post 10,000 times in 5 years doesn't mean you've been watching MMA longer than me fanboy.

It just means your a shut in.

Rofl when this is your comeback, you should already realize you got owned.