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A whole lot of words with no proven stats.Let's take "mass" out of the equation then, go ahead.

You wanted me to do homework at 2 am after a 14 hour shift on a holiday weekend just so you can say nuh uh and carry on being a twit. I'm not taking mass out of the equation I just asked you for raw numbers so we can break them down. See once you see those numbers....kinda makes me wonder how you can think any one else is the number one group. And @My Spot has posted them already too BTW.


Whole Lotta words and I don't think you understand any of them . What is your definition of a mass shooting ? My understanding is it's an event where 3 or 4 get dropped in one go are we not operating under the same definition?
 
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Yes. I have not once advocated for revoking the 2nd amendment.

I’m going to assume that you don’t believe an abundance of melanin in the skin has anything to do with why someone shoots someone else.

White people account for more random, mass shootings than every other demographic combined.

Sure, and I’d say that someone’s melanin levels cannot predict their criminal habits so it makes sense to look at environmental factors, yeah?

How is it the rest of the population in developed world with strict gun laws all manage to defend themselves?

Politicians are public figures often targeted by the mentally ill for their stance and positions while in office. It’s the same reason Republican speakers don’t allow guns at their rally’s.
What do those have to do with murder?

No, I don't think the melanin has much to do with it, since Indians have plenty of melanin and they aren't in 2nd place, but race and not having a dad around are the biggest predictors of criminal activity.

I'm guessing the "environmental factors" you're referring to aren't the no dad or cultural problems that actually predict criminal behavior, and instead you're just referring to free shit, but that doesn't work either because this country is like $26T deep into the "war on poverty", and black people have the highest crime rates in evrty country regardless of social programs or who's the majority.

Why would being a public official matter if banning guns would mean no more criminal or mentally ill people have them? If it does, then politicians don't need them either, if it doesn't, that's exactly the reason everyone else should be able to defend themselves too.
 
You wanted me to do homework at 2 am after a 14 hour shift on a holiday weekend just so you can say nuh uh and carry on being a twit. I'm not taking mass out of the equation I just asked you for raw numbers so we can break them down. See once you see those numbers....kinda makes me wonder how you can think any one else is the number one group. And @My Spot has posted them already too BTW.


Whole Lotta words and I don't think you understand any of them . What is your definition of a mass shooting ? My understanding is it's an event where 3 or 4 get dropped in one go are we not operating under the same definition?
So fill your boots with black men who have shot 3 or more people compared to white people.
Do it per capita. And my heart is bleeding with your 14 hour shift guilt trip.
 
So fill your boots with black men who have shot 3 or more people compared to white people.
Do it per capita. And my heart is bleeding with your 14 hour shift guilt trip.




@My Spot also did per capita in this very thread. And he does it in just about every shooting thread.


I'm trying to establish what reality is with you but you are in such a rush to prove to me how witty you are that you make any conversations impossible.

What is your definition of a mass shooting ?

And

Do you accept that black folks have the highest murder rate in America by a wide margin ?
 
@My Spot also did per capita in this very thread. And he does it in just about every shooting thread.


I'm trying to establish what reality is with you but you are in such a rush to prove to me how witty you are that you make any conversations impossible.

What is your definition of a mass shooting ?

And

Do you accept that black folks have the highest murder rate in America by a wide margin ?
Until proven by any stat which you have failed to provide, why would I? And I said let's go with anything over 3 victims. Capice? You seem bent on slinging black man bad around, surely you should have at least one stat.
 
How we bicker over whether it's blacks, muslims, or transexuals doing mass shootings for our moral superiority, I wonder if there's like some forum out there overwhelmingly frequented by women that complain about how shitty men are for doing almost all the mass shootings and talking about men being mentally ill etc.

I'd ask a woman here the question, but there are (almost) none.
 
What do those have to do with murder?
I appreciate that you’re willing to look into the why of the why, It’s important to keep tugging on these threads. We see increases in gun violence in areas with high rates of poverty, income inequality, urban density, shitty access to mental health care or community resources. When we do more to provide those things, rates of gun violence go down.
No, I don't think the melanin has much to do with it, since Indians have plenty of melanin and they aren't in 2nd place

, but race
What does race have to do with anything? Surely a shared ancestors and genetic traits can’t be a factor in gun violence.


and not having a dad around are the biggest predictors of criminal activity.
Agree. This feels like a great angle to attack the problem from, yeah?
I'm guessing the "environmental factors" you're referring to aren't the no dad or cultural problems
Those are factors.
Why would being a public official matter if banning guns would mean no more criminal or mentally ill people have them?
Criminals and the mentally ill do have guns. That’s the problem.
If it does, then politicians don't need them either, if it doesn't, that's exactly the reason everyone else should be able to defend themselves too.
If everyone carrying a gun = better self defense then why are they banned at rallies involving pro gun politicians?
 
Until proven by any stat which you have failed to provide, why would I? And I said let's go with anything over 3 victims. Capice? You seem bent on slinging black man bad around, surely you should have at least one stat.
I already posted the gun homicide rates in this thread from the CDC Fatal Injury Database. I thought the group designations were obvious but I guess not.

White: 1.83
Hispanic: 5.27
Black: 24.47
Asian: 1.01
 
I already posted the gun homicide rates in this thread from the CDC Fatal Injury Database. I thought the group designations were obvious but I guess not.

White: 1.83
Hispanic: 5.27
Black: 24.47
Asian: 1.01
Link please.
 
I already posted the gun homicide rates in this thread from the CDC Fatal Injury Database. I thought the group designations were obvious but I guess not.

White: 1.83
Hispanic: 5.27
Black: 24.47
Asian: 1.01
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Where are we on the thought and prayers with this?

All done till the next killings?
 
Can you point me in the direction of where black men are in charge of mass shootings in comparison to every other race/gender with this graph? I'm very willing to be proven wrong, I'm not being sarcastic.
I don't understand why the forum is attaching itself to this race nonsense, but I already addressed this in an earlier post using one of the databases a poster who was pointing fingers at white shooters himself elected to share.
It's a study published in 2022 looking at mass shootings from 1999-2021:
US Mass public shootings since Columbine: victims per incident by race and ethnicity of the perpetrator
So this is one of those studies that aims to restrict the dataset only to acts of a more terroristic style of violence even if the killer didn't necessarily have a political goal or radicalized mania like the 9/11 attackers, but only a personal vendetta against his victims, or no relationship at all to them. That's fine, this is traditionally what I think springs to mind for most of us when we hear the term "mass shooter" similar to Columbine. The study uses Columbine as the starting point.

Second, according to the Census, NH Whites made up 61.7% of the country in 2020. NH Blacks make up 12.4%. Of course, the number of WH has declined substantially since 2000 while the number of WH Blacks hasn't changed. NH Whites were 75.1% in 2000. NH Blacks were 12.3%. During the period in question, according to that study's own chosen data set, NH whites committed this particular definition of mass shootings 2.58x the rate of NH Blacks despite that during the date range of those crimes NH whites outnumbered NH Blacks by a factor of 5.0x-6.1x.

Thus, to summarize, even using his own chosen study, from 1999-2021, Blacks were somewhere between 1.94x-2.33x as likely to commit a mass shooting as Whites.
Furthermore, contrary to what @DoctorTaco is alleging, no, whites weren't responsible for more mass shootings during that period than every other race combined despite that whites significantly outnumbered every other race combined during that period. Whites were responsible for a plurality, but not a majority of the mass shootings.

It's no different with the Mother Jones database that dates back to 1982 with slightly different parameters principally in the reduction to 3 killed victims other than the shooter. It counts 140 total mass shootings with a known race of the perpetrator. Of these, Blacks account for 26, or 18.6% of the total. Blacks ranged from 11.5% to 12.4% during this period, so they once again are over-represented meaning they are more likely to commit a mass shooting.

But both the Mother Jones and Violence Project Database use more restrictive definitions of a mass shooting than even formal government definitions. The Gun Violence Archive, for example, is the one the media loves to trot out when it wants to fan the flames of anti-2nd Amendment sentiment, and raise fear with a high count. This database counts over 2,000 mass shootings just dating to March, 2022. Yet it doesn't record any information about the perpetrator.

However, as the previous databases filter out mass shootings with fewer than 3 deaths other than the shooter, any that don't take place in a public space or publicly accessible property, and any that are also connected to other crime like gangs or drugs, immediately the large gap in the racial rates of perpetration they record and that of all homicides and shootings (as recorded by the FBI's UCR, for example) becomes glaring. Because with these latter stats it's no longer a rate of 1.5x-2.3x. It's a rate usually 3x-6x the norm depending on the violent crime. For example, if you look at all homicides by the UCR during the same date range as the first database I evaluated above, Blacks are responsible 40.4% of homicides, and the vast majority of these are committed with firearms. If you narrow this to just the last five years, it's fractionally shy of half.

I don't understand why this is a point of the discussion. I'm only irritated when leftist posters demonstrate the sheep-like tendency to regurgitate the fearmongering of the MSM that wants to convince them white men are the acute source of this type of crime. They are not. But it was a white (trans) man who committed this crime, so I don't think it's productive to drag black men over the coals.

The more pressing question, as I see it, is why is there this sudden rise of transgender/nonbinary/LGBTwhatever shooters? When I was young there may have been a lot of negative perceptions surrounding transgenders, but nobody perceived them as violent. That is changing because of incidents like this. It's impossible not to notice that it seems to be coinciding with the ascendence of the #woke movement.
 
How we bicker over whether it's blacks, muslims, or transexuals doing mass shootings for our moral superiority, I wonder if there's like some forum out there overwhelmingly frequented by women that complain about how shitty men are for doing almost all the mass shootings and talking about men being mentally ill etc.

I'd ask a woman here the question, but there are (almost) none.
Great point.
 
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