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[nostradumbass]

republicans and the phrase: “one immigrant is too much”
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Nobody in there said "one immigrant is too much", democrats are the only people who not only intentionally pretend there is no difference between legal immigrants and rapists/murderers sneaking in illegally, but actively fight to import more criminals and keep them here.

The equivalent statement would be to call for a ban on all legal immigration because there was 1 illegal who committed a crime, not telling democrats to stop flouting existing immigration laws.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Nobody in there said "one immigrant is too much"

Technically you are correct. What was said in the clip was:

“One woman or one child violated by an illegal alien is one too many”

“One is too many”

And to Stewart’s point, these people are correct. I just don’t see the same energy out of them when it comes to gun violence.

, democrats are the only people who not only intentionally pretend there is no difference between legal immigrants and rapists/murderers sneaking in illegally,

That feels like hyperbole but if you can provide any evidence to justify that claim I’d hear it.

The equivalent statement would be to call for a ban on all legal immigration because there was 1 illegal who committed a crime, not telling democrats to stop flouting existing immigration laws.

We had 44,000 gun deaths in America last year. There is a direct correlation between states that have stricter gun laws and states with lower rates of gun violence. People like myself are confused as to why people who have such high standards when it comes to preventing harm to citizens (again, I agree with those high standards) also stand directly in the way when it comes to stricter gun laws.

 

[nostradumbass]

Technically you are correct. What was said in the clip was:

“One woman or one child violated by an illegal alien is one too many”

“One is too many”

And to Stewart’s point, these people are correct. I just don’t see the same energy out of them when it comes to gun violence.

That feels like hyperbole but if you can provide any evidence to justify that claim I’d hear it.

We had 44,000 gun deaths in America last year. There is a direct correlation between states that have stricter gun laws and states with lower rates of gun violence. People like myself are confused as to why people who have such high standards when it comes to preventing harm to citizens (again, I agree with those high standards) also stand directly in the way when it comes to stricter gun laws.

"These people are correct", just not correct enough for you, Jon Stewart, the other poster, or any democrat to want existing immigration laws enforced.


You don't see the "same energy" because one is enforcing existing immigration laws, and the other is removing the bill of rights and trying to confiscate 400 million guns from citizens using other guys with guns.

And no, there isn't a direct correlation, the correlation is just which states have the most black people, which is why Maryland and Illinois are consistently near the top for homicides with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and Utah, Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota and are near the bottom with very loose gun laws, and even the blue states near the bottom are Maine and Vermont with loose gun laws but almost no black people. The cities/states at the top or bottom don't have gun laws in common with each other, but they do have demographic numbers in common.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You don't see the "same energy" because one is enforcing existing immigration laws, and the other is removing the bill of rights and trying to confiscate 400 million guns from citizens using other guys with guns.

And no, there isn't a direct correlation, the correlation is just which states have the most black people, which is why Maryland and Illinois are consistently near the top for homicides with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and Utah, Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota and are near the bottom with very loose gun laws, and even the blue states near the bottom are Maine and Vermont with loose gun laws but almost no black people. The cities/states at the top or bottom don't have gun laws in common with each other, but they do have demographic numbers in common.

Where have I said I didn’t want immigration laws enforced? Where have I advocated for the removal of the bill of rights?

gun violence stats can fall into a dozen different categories. We see increases in gun violence in areas with high rates of poverty, income inequality, urban density, shitty access to mental health care or community resources. unfortunately we are cutting funding to programs that help combat these things, programs that have shown to be drivers in the reduction of gun crimes in those communities.

We blow every other developed country out of the water when it comes to gun deaths. We have Exponentially more, it’s not even close. As one of the richest nations in the world this is insane.

 

[nostradumbass]

Where have I said I didn’t want immigration laws enforced? Where have I advocated for the removal of the bill of rights?

gun violence stats can fall into a dozen different categories. We see increases in gun violence in areas with high rates of poverty, income inequality, urban density, shitty access to mental health care or community resources. unfortunately we are cutting funding to programs that help combat these things, programs that have shown to be drivers in the reduction of gun crimes in those communities.

We blow every other developed country out of the water when it comes to gun deaths. We have Exponentially more, it’s not even close. As one of the richest nations in the world this is insane.

What programs?

The 2nd amendment is part of the bill of rights.

And no, not really, "we" don't blow anybody out of the water, our black population do. The other 87% of the population seem to handle gun ownership just fine. Our black population also have massive rates of every other crime that have nothing to do with guns.

I'll say the same thing I've said plenty of times before, if the dem politicians want to take away everyone else's ability to defend themselves, they should lead by example and stop walking around with armed security themselves while telling everyone else to give up theirs.

 

[My Spot]

US Gun Homicide Rate (s)
Group A: 1.83
Group B: 5.27
Group C: 24.47
Group D: 1.01

Speaking of correlation...

 

[DoctorTaco]

What programs?

SNAP
CHIP
Medicaid
Affordable Care Act protections
TANF
SSBG
SSI
SSDI
CDBG
HOME Investment Partnerships
Public Housing Capital Fund
Housing Trust Fund
Section 8 vouchers
Choice Neighborhoods
LIHEAP
WAP
Head Start
21st Century Community Learning Centers
SEOG
Federal Work-Study
Direct Subsidized Loans
Public Service Loan Forgiveness
Community Service Employment for Older Americans
AmeriCorps
Job Corps
Legal Services Corporation
CDC
NIH
Health equity programs
HHS restructuring, AkaMake America Healthy Again had Over 10k layoffs, dismantling agencies covering disease testing, maternal health, early childhood education, poverty oversight

The 2nd amendment is part of the bill of rights.

Yes. I have not once advocated for revoking the 2nd amendment.

"we" don't blow anybody out of the water, our black population do

I’m going to assume that you don’t believe an abundance of melanin in the skin has anything to do with why someone shoots someone else.

The other 87% of the population seem to handle gun ownership just fine.

White people account for more random, mass shootings than every other demographic combined.

Our black population also have massive rates of every other crime that have nothing to do with guns.

Sure, and I’d say that someone’s melanin levels cannot predict their criminal habits so it makes sense to look at environmental factors, yeah?

I'll say the same thing I've said plenty of times before, if the dem politicians want to take away everyone else's ability to defend themselves

How is it the rest of the population in developed world with strict gun laws all manage to defend themselves?

they should lead by example and stop walking around with armed security themselves while telling everyone else to give up theirs.

Politicians are public figures often targeted by the mentally ill for their stance and positions while in office. It’s the same reason Republican speakers don’t allow guns at their rally’s.

 

[My Spot]

Per GVA and MST a majority of mass shooters are black. Yikes!

 

[fingercuffs]

What programs?

The 2nd amendment is part of the bill of rights.

And no, not really, "we" don't blow anybody out of the water, our black population do. The other 87% of the population seem to handle gun ownership just fine. Our black population also have massive rates of every other crime that have nothing to do with guns.

I'll say the same thing I've said plenty of times before, if the dem politicians want to take away everyone else's ability to defend themselves, they should lead by example and stop walking around with armed security themselves while telling everyone else to give up theirs.

And here we go.

 

[Osculater]

D'oh!

 

[Osculater]

What programs?

The 2nd amendment is part of the bill of rights.

And no, not really, "we" don't blow anybody out of the water, our black population do. The other 87% of the population seem to handle gun ownership just fine. Our black population also have massive rates of every other crime that have nothing to do with guns.

I'll say the same thing I've said plenty of times before, if the dem politicians want to take away everyone else's ability to defend themselves, they should lead by example and stop walking around with armed security themselves while telling everyone else to give up theirs.

 

[Gutter Chris]

And here we go.

So the purple part isn't true ?

Or we aren't supposed to notice and just pretend that its all a generic "men" committing all that crime and murder ?

Or it's racist if you say it out loud ?

Black folks make up the bulk of mass shooting stats both as killers and victims. All the school shootings in a year added up don't even come close .

 

[fingercuffs]

So the purple part isn't true ?

Or we aren't supposed to notice and just pretend that its all a generic "men" committing all that crime and murder ?

Or it's racist if you say it out loud ?

Black folks make up the bulk of mass shooting stats both as killers and victims. All the school shootings in a year added up don't even come close .

Can you pull up stats to back up your claim that black men commit more mass shootings?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Or we aren't supposed to notice and just pretend that it’s all a generic "men" committing all that crime and murder ?

Is it the abundance of melanin in their skin? Or maybe there are social and environmental factors at play here.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Is it the abundance of melanin in their skin? Or maybe there are social and environmental factors at play here.

It's environmental and cultural would be my guess

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's environmental and cultural would be my guess

So then why mention the color of their skin if it’s not actually relevant to the conversation? It comes across as racist

 

[Gutter Chris]

Can you pull up stats to back up your claim that black men commit more mass shootings?

Sure . Go ahead and pull up shootings by race and lemme know what it says. We can then break it down from there. Don't include the word mass yet we'll get to that plus Google will think you mean school shooters. How the f do we get that raw number of black shooters and shot and killed and still think the answer is any other group ?

Are you confusing school shootings with what the definition of what a mass shooting is ? It's a common error and likely why you think the answer is white males which as far as I know do make up a bulk of the school shootings that get massive headlines. However the bulk of shootings of every type but school don't really make national headlines.

Why don't you tell me about the last time 3 black dudes got dropped in a sitting in Detroit Chicago or st Louis or Nashville or any place like that? That not get headline news outside California? How bout LA?

 

[Aurelian]

Sure . Go ahead and pull up shootings by race and lemme know what it says. We can then break it down from there. Don't include the word mass yet we'll get to that plus Google will think you mean school shooters. How the f do we get that raw number of black shooters and shot and killed and still think the answer is any other group ?

Are you confusing school shootings with what the definition of what a mass shooting is ? It's a common error and likely why you think the answer is white males which as far as I know do make up a bulk of the school shootings that get massive headlines. However the bulk of shootings of every type but school don't really make national headlines.

Why don't you tell me about the last time 3 black dudes got dropped in a sitting in Detroit Chicago or st Louis or Nashville or any place like that? That not get headline news outside California? How bout LA?

I don't think there's any strict definitions on what a mass shooting is but it's generally accepted that it's where 4 or more people get shot.

Sounds like a typical weekend in Chicago but I'm not trying to get in any sort of racial discussion surrounding it. It would be a Chicago problem. They elect failures as leaders and enact policy that's also a failure.

 

[Stoic1]

 

[fingercuffs]

Sure . Go ahead and pull up shootings by race and lemme know what it says. We can then break it down from there. Don't include the word mass yet we'll get to that plus Google will think you mean school shooters. How the f do we get that raw number of black shooters and shot and killed and still think the answer is any other group ?

Are you confusing school shootings with what the definition of what a mass shooting is ? It's a common error and likely why you think the answer is white males which as far as I know do make up a bulk of the school shootings that get massive headlines. However the bulk of shootings of every type but school don't really make national headlines.

Why don't you tell me about the last time 3 black dudes got dropped in a sitting in Detroit Chicago or st Louis or Nashville or any place like that? That not get headline news outside California? How bout LA?

A whole lot of words with no proven stats.Let's take "mass" out of the equation then, go ahead.