Media Miles Johnes landing glove grab KO

[method115]

Anything is fair in this game if you get away with it. Love how quickly some sherdoggers are to pearl clutch.

Beautiful KO and beautiful gif

I agree I don't really care. On the other hand Tim Kennedy is a little bitch because he complains about Yoel taking advantage of the system when he tried to cheat also it's BS.

 

[Masturbin]

Part of me is okay with it because the ko was cool

 

[AmonTobin]

Any pro fighter that does this is a piece of shit. Definitely should be a DQ and repeat violations should give them a suspension/fine.

 

[Uber_Noober]

@Danespina bringing the receipts.

 

[DoctorStoppage]

This guy later popped for turinabol too

Seems like a great guy

 

[Safton]

So glad to see kennedy get left in a Bloody heap moments after that.

I also saw johnny walkers brother do a similar technique when he submitted tafa

Any evidence of this? I didn't see anything on Google and don't remember seeing anything during the finish resembling a glove grab unless I missed it. The sentiment after the fight from most was "lol sour grapes", but then again I wasn't all that invested...

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

He should stick to his hood fight logics and not bring it into a sport like MMA. It is not Worldstar HipHop but Ultimate Fighting Championships. A sport, not a street altercation. Mixed Martial Arts. You see the words Martial and Art. And Sport. Noble things. Of course Brutal. But with clear rules and intent. And a culture. And spectacle. You can do street fighting outside the sport.

Also I hate the phrase “if you’re not cheating you’re not trying” in any sport - it’s literally an admission that you can’t win within the confines of the rules, so you need to cheat and hope for gross incompetence by officials to allow you the opportunity to win.

Basically it’s an admission you’re a morally bankrupt loser and pussy.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Any evidence of this?

Other than seeing it with my own two eyes? not really.



Here you can see valters hands are grabbing the inside of tafas glove (the top of the open Palm section, Which helps Valter to roll tafa Over.




watch the video and tell me if im crazy but I see this as a huge aide for when he rolls over and goes belly down with his glove trapped he has no choice but to roll and get submitted.

Watch from :02-:05 really carfully, even after he releases the submission their hands seem to be tangled in a weird way

 

[Safton]

Other than seeing it with my own two eyes? not really.

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Here you can see valters hands are grabbing the inside of tafas glove (the top of the open Palm section, Which helps Valter to roll tafa Over.




watch the video and tell me if im crazy but I see this as a huge aide for when he rolls over and goes belly down with his glove trapped he has no choice but to roll and get submitted.

Watch from :02-:05 really carfully, even after he releases the submission their hands seem to be tangled in a weird way

I see what you mean, but based on that angle alone I'm not really convinced. Not sufficiently convinced to condemn the guy, anyway. There's just not enough definitive evidence there for me.

I also find it weird that Tafa didn't make a big stink and comment on it if that was the case considering people giving him shit for the slap immediately thereafter.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I see what you mean, but based on that angle alone I'm not really convinced. Not sufficiently convinced to condemn the guy, anyway. There's just not enough definitive evidence there for me.

I also find it weird that Tafa didn't make a big stink and comment on it if that was the case considering people giving him shit for the slap immediately thereafter.

Maybe he doesn't want to come accross as a baby? but im sure he certianly felt wronged in one way or another

 

[Safton]

Maybe he doesn't want to come accross as a baby? but im sure he certianly felt wronged in one way or another

I dunno, it just seems weird that if he felt that heated to slap the guy he wouldn't at any point bring up "I was feeling a certain way because dude tried to cripple me while simultaneously fouling me during the fight" or something to that effect. I'm not making any presumptions to his mental/emotional state one way or the other, I just don't feel comfortable condemning Walker based on that limited evidence especially if the wronged party made no such claim.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I dunno, it just seems weird that if he felt that heated to slap the guy he wouldn't at any point bring up "I was feeling a certain way because dude tried to cripple me while simultaneously fouling me during the fight" or something to that effect. I'm not making any presumptions to his mental/emotional state one way or the other, I just don't feel comfortable condemning Walker based on that limited evidence especially if the wronged party made no such claim.

I just appear to have seen it while Simutainiously saying he was clearly mad about something because he (tafa) hasn't behaved that way before, and I've seen him fight several times.

 

[Bork Neslar]

The UFC refs allowing cheating as usual

 

[Safton]

I just appear to have seen it while Simutainiously saying he was clearly mad about something because he (tafa) hasn't behaved that way before, and I've seen him fight several times.

I know what you think you're seeing and I agree that the placement makes it a potential case of glove-grabbing, but that's literally all we have to go on and that's not enough for me.

You don't think Tafa might have been frustrated for any number of other reasons? He was now on a streak of stoppage losses, just got submitted for the first time, got his leg painfully cranked, Valter continued to sort of cranked on it even after Tafa cried out (because the ref took a moment to intervene), and Junior also looked up at the ref with an exasperated/confused pose after he stopped the fight due to verbal submission -- a rule that many fans/commentators/etc. don't know seem to know about. I could see one or any combination of these potentially frustrating Junior enough to make him lash out in the moment, so again I'm not just going to assume Valter fouled him when Junior himself never made any such accusations that I can see.

 

[Trabaho]

Other than seeing it with my own two eyes? not really.

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Here you can see valters hands are grabbing the inside of tafas glove (the top of the open Palm section, Which helps Valter to roll tafa Over.




watch the video and tell me if im crazy but I see this as a huge aide for when he rolls over and goes belly down with his glove trapped he has no choice but to roll and get submitted.

Watch from :02-:05 really carfully, even after he releases the submission their hands seem to be tangled in a weird way

Brasilian favela cheater confirmed

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Similar cheat technique Tim Kennedy used on Yoel Romero before being such a piece of shit that he even falsely accused Romero of cheating while recovering from it.

Immediately what I thought of. Big Nog also used this technique to sweep Big Tim en route to a submission in a fight he was losing.

 

[Carrotman23]

" There is no justice in MMA "


"The sport of MMA is not honorable"


Are you sure it's not just a reflection of your morals and people you were exposed to ?

No it's simply the reality of prize fighting, people are going to grab the cage, grab the glove, etc. that's why rules are imposed by officials and not fighters. I simply dont see some high morality and honor system in prize fighting.

You hit the nail on the head.

The “if you’re not cheating you’re not trying” in a game of trying to kill each other is a hilarious take on morality.

There is an implicit understanding getting in prize fight with rules and regulations that you won’t break them, otherwise there is nothing to truly prevent life altering attacks - eye gouges/bites/spine strikes/back of the head shots/etc.

Sure they can DQ you, but your opponent can be crippled for life. But I guess “you’re just not trying then” so everything is ok still huh?

But somehow he’ll likely carve out unique caveats for glove grabs, groin strikes, eye pokes, and more minor fouls, even if they lead to devastating finishes…interesting….

He essentially wants to import street fighting mindset into prize fighting spectacle, because his morality dictates as such.

Which is fine, but just acknowledge that you’re the one that doesn’t care about honor/justice/morality, since clearly most fighters do or they would be egregiously cheating all the time instead of a few doing it some of the time.

It's not about putting street fighting into MMA fighting, take one simple point, remember when the sport began in its early stages?
Remember when groin shots were aloud? Did people use groin shots ? Why yes they did!

My point is that without enforcement people will act on these transgressions, fighters will often use any weapons at their disposal in a prize fight, and that includes using eye pokes and groin shots when a point isn't taken. Jon Jones is standout for admitting he uses eye pokes, but he's certainly not the only one who does so.

You're the one making a basic contradiction here saying that this is a sport where fighters are "trying to kill each other" but you think they are beyond a glove grab and a nut shot becuase you clearly hold these people on some kind of abstract pedistal.

Yes they will often (though not always) do anything to win within a given ruleset when they can get away with it, hence why rules should be enforced more harshly and you are delusional for thinking there is some kind of high morality at play here.

 

[Carrotman23]

He should stick to his hood fight logics and not bring it into a sport like MMA. It is not Worldstar HipHop but Ultimate Fighting Championships. A sport, not a street altercation. Mixed Martial Arts. You see the words Martial and Art. And Sport. Noble things. Of course Brutal. But with clear rules and intent. And a culture. And spectacle. You can do street fighting outside the sport.

This sport would still have intentional groin shots if it wasn't for state regulation, I question whether you actually know anything about the history of prize fighting, it also wouldn't exist without the Yakuza and the Mob .

If you think this is high martial arts then maybe you should go to a local MMA show, or actually talk to fighters, a huge swath of which are basically functional alcoholics .

So again without harsh enforcement, people are going to glove grab and eye gouge and grab the fence, and yes often if you aren't bending the rules you aren't using everything at your disposal. Why do you think we see eye pokes every other fight? It's because a point isn't taken, so it's useful to do. You are simply being delusional thinking there is some kind of high idealism at play here.

It's spectacle, exactly, MMA is more about money then anything else. It's not some honorable form of martial arts, and you guys are dorks for thinking it is.
These rules won't come into fruition by pretending everyone's honorable in this sport, and sitting on a high hill exclaiming virtue and getting butthurt when a fighter glove grabs, it'll come from actually enforcing rules, i.e. disqualifying and taking points.

 

[usernamee]

Part of me is okay with it because the ko was cool

That should be an add-on to every illegal strike.

"However, if the illegal strike resulted in a spectacular knockout, it's all good"

 

[El Fernas]

Rules are there for a reason, but whatever this isn't the first time we've seen a fight ended due to bullshit. Ed Herman faking a nutshot into a kimura comeback was pretty gnarly too lol

Fairly common, they get help from the ref and of course they will milk it, the other weekend (i think) a girl folded from a body kick that the ref considered to be low, she survived the rest of the fight but still lost the decision.