Mid-air Collusion (Mueller Thread v. 19)

[waiguoren]

Dershowitz: Rudy Giuliani may have used an inartful phrase when he said, "truth isn't truth", but he was absolutely right. Say the president were to be asked the question, "did you discuss Flynn with Comey?" and he says "No." Let's assume that's truthful for a moment. But Comey says "Yes". Or let's assume the president is asked, "Did you know about the meeting in Trump Tower" and he says "no" but then Cohen says "yes". So you have two statements that can't both be true. But we're human beings. We're not sure we can determine what's true or not. The prosecutors may decide that the truth is with Cohen and Comey and not with the president. That's why we defense lawyers call that a "perjury trap." You never allow your client to answer a question truthfully if someone else will answer the question differently and that person may be believed over the truthful answer. That's what Rudy was trying to say. Inartfully put, but the point of it was something every defense attorney would agree to.

@vengeful

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

You’ve gone full potato.

Read your post, the literal definition of lacking substance. You unironically resorted to,

“Some say”






PS, that’s some cool fan fic at the end. I’ll remember to make fun of you for that when Trump walks.

I said some say becaue the wiki says she works as an informant to the prosecutor general while some outlets say she works in the office. Notice how I didn't definitively say she works for them but she definitely works as a foreign agent for Russia lobbying against the Magnitsky act.

I know that's a lot for you to follow so I'll forgive you for being unable to follow along .

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

It's also an absurd mandate. It's infinitely expandable.

By this logic for example a drug detective shouldn't investigate or report any crimes found during investigations of drug offenses .

 

[waiguoren]

By this logic for example a drug detective shouldn't investigate or report any crimes found during investigations of drug offenses .

"... any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Notice that the word "crime" does not appear.

Were you alive for the Starr investigations?

 

[bobgeese]

So your post that I quoted was you talking out of your arse…

Got it.

???

You realize there are punishments other than jail, right?

 

[bobgeese]

This is the resume of an American Patriot.

Now, please post all the shit that has come out about him after he was portrayed to the American people as some kind of angel.

 

[44nutman]

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

By this logic for example a drug detective shouldn't investigate or report any crimes found during investigations of drug offenses .

Anyone who posts as though they don't understand this or argue against it are being fundamentally dishonest.

 

[bobgeese]

I said some say becaue the wiki says she works as an informant to the prosecutor general while some outlets say she works in the office. Notice how I didn't definitively say she works for them but she definitely works as a foreign agent for Russia lobbying against the Magnitsky act.

I know that's a lot for you to follow so I'll forgive you for being unable to follow along .

That’s a really fancy way of saying there is no proof that she was working at the direction of the Kremlin.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

...they're framing this so that when they accuse Mueller of inventing evidence, it'll have traction with idiots.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

"... any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Notice that the word "crime" does not appear.

Were you alive for the Starr investigations?

Right. It's the same terminology in any investigation. You think something may be a crime so you call it a matter till you have enough evidence to charge a crime. You're making a linguistic argument and a shitty one at that.

I was alive fir Starr Clinton lied under oath about his relationship .He was rightfully impeached for perjury

 

[bobgeese]

I know the left is all about fan fic politics these days, but the unfortunate truth is you’re simply looking at the early results of age related dementia.

 

[44nutman]

Anyone who posts as though they don't understand this or argue against it are being fundamentally dishonest.

I cant decide until @AlanDershowitz tells me how to think.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Right. It's the same terminology in any investigation. You think something may be a crime so you call it a matter till you have enough evidence to charge a crime. You're making a linguistic argument and a shitty one at that.

I was alive fir Starr Clinton lied under oath about his relationship .He was rightfully impeached for perjury

I watched the "I did not have sex with that woman" address he gave, and knew as he looked into the camera, and denied it confidently, that he was lying his ass off

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

That’s a really fancy way of saying there is no proof that she was working at the direction of the Kremlin.

If she's lobby and she was then we know sge already takes direction from the Kremlin in one aspect. It's a matter of making the connections for the rest of it to show she was there on behalf of Kremlin. Out of public knowledge we already know the GRU was responsible for hacking . it's not a far logic leap to assume she was one of the Kremlin's in person reps

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I cant decide until @AlanDershowitz tells me how to think.

Just remember, when evaluating these things, that the truth is subjective and what's fact for you may not be for others.

And of course, that moral correctness is a malleable thing, to be ignored as the situation requires. A President doesn't need to behave in a manner seemly for the high office he holds.
That's the new standard we have.

 

[bobgeese]

If she's lobby and she was then we know sge already takes direction from the Kremlin in one aspect. It's a matter of making the connections for the rest of it to show she was there on behalf of Kremlin. Out of public knowledge we already know the GRU was responsible for hacking . it's not a far logic leap to assume she was one of the Kremlin's in person reps

Again, that’s a really fancy way of saying you don’t have any proof.



Hey, remind us how she got into the country.

 

[Rational Poster]

I know the left is all about fan fic politics these days, but the unfortunate truth is you’re simply looking at the early results of age related dementia.

And the even more unfortunate truth for you is that the President of the United States isn't smart enough to get a lawyer that doesn't have age related dementia, as you put it.

Trump probably has age related dementia, too.

 

[waiguoren]

I was alive fir Starr Clinton lied under oath about his relationship .He was rightfully impeached for perjury

Starr never should have been looking into President Clinton's sexual life or the firing of the Travel Office staff. President Clinton was dragged through the mud because of prosecutorial overreach. It was completely unnecessary and a waste of resources.

You think something may be a crime so you call it a matter till you have enough evidence to charge a crime. You're making a linguistic argument and a shitty one at that.

It's not a linguistic argument. The current wording allows Mueller's team to look into literally anything that might interest them. If Mueller were to make a hard swerve into Pizzagate and Jade Helm territory, something tells me you wouldn't be arguing this side anymore. The current purview of the Mueller probe is unlimited. Civil liberties be damned.

 

[bobgeese]

And the even more unfortunate truth for you is that the President of the United States isn't smart enough to get a lawyer that doesn't have age related dementia, as you put it.

Trump probably has age related dementia, too.

Trump is absolutely past his prime.

Clearly you don’t understand muddying the waters. The president has a number of lawyers, they each play their role.