Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[D'z]

have you seen his muscles or him punch kimbo's hand?

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Dude, he has like 9 black belts.

0 proof of him being other than an actor...

Hes been a martial artist his entire life. Competed in karate when he was younger

Actors dont get chosen for those roles unless they have genuine skill. None of the moves he pulled in any of his movies are fake, choreographed, yes..but the skill / technique is very real.



Fighters and martial artists know this guy is legit. I have no idea why people think hes just an actor. Look at his technique, the way he moves, the way he speaks about the game, this is a consummate martial artist..

This isn't just about being bigger. The guy is just infinitely more skilled than Perry.

First off, he is absolutely an impressive martial artist, and has some cool skills

But the fact you even have to bring up competing in point karate when he was younger kinda shows how little dude has actually proven as far as actual competition is concerned

"Actors dont get chosen for roles unless they have genuine skill" uhhhhh yeah they do... there are a ton of examples of action stars in movies that can't fight irl... even a lot of the shit in movies he does is silly, like that weird kick two dudes at once thing lol. It's more about looking cool, than actually being practical.

I've never seen him do BJJ, wrestle, kickbox, box, anything.... I've seen fucking Ashten Kutcher training BJJ, never seen MJW lol.... it's all speculation.... and usually, dudes that talk like him are full of shit.... he acts like he is the baddest dude in the world.... reminds me a lot of Steven Segal honestly there are a lot of similarities

Again, it's not like the dude is a 100% charlatan, neither is Steven Segal or JCVD, but he just hasn't proven anything. I know dudes personally from that point karate background that have really flashy kicking techniques that would get absolutely murdered in a real fight. Shit looks a loooot different when someone is actually eating your shots, walking you down, and hitting you back. As I'm sure you know

 

[MescalineDreams]

Nothing special. They're just flowing

But this isnt fake or choreographed

 

[suffersystem]

A lot of people know the guy is legit.

I can see a minute of footage on someone and know they're legit.

Hes got some fucking skills man.

Literally 9 black belts and people want to act like hes just an actor..so ridiculous.

Bruce Lee never competed either other than a few karate tournaments, is he also just an actor?


Rogan - "theres no bigger critic of kicking technique than me, MJW's kicking technique is PERFECT"

lol the first of the video kind of makes me laugh. Rogan and buddy are going on about how big he is and Shaub is like "Nah man, he came in and he was sparring etc he's not that big" and then changes his tune after they keep going on how big he is lololol

I have no doubt MJW has legit black belts.

Saying that though we have seen many a black belt not be able to translate that into MMA or into actual legit competition. With zero pro fights I think that is where people are coming from against the other guy in the thread.

 

[Al Stone]

Yet you were not arguing anything about MJW being given a spot in the UFC because of his Hollywood fame. Dana would put fuckin anyone in there if he thought there was money to be made out of it. But it is good to know that you at least know that he would not earn a spot on his supposed skills alone.

In regards to that are you aware that Perry's amusing shtick is what kept him relevant remotely in the UFC? So you can claim MJW wouldn't make it on skillwhick is laughable giving the historic tendency of the UFC to enlist sloppy brawlers with heart(Black Beast). Yet you find it hard to realize we are only discussing Perry due to his "act". It damn sure ain't his great striking

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

A lot of people know the guy is legit.

I can see a minute of footage on someone and know they're legit.

Hes got some fucking skills man.

Literally 9 black belts and people want to act like hes just an actor..so ridiculous.

Bruce Lee never competed either other than a few karate tournaments, is he also just an actor?


Rogan - "theres no bigger critic of kicking technique than me, MJW's kicking technique is PERFECT"

9 black belts..... Jon Jones, Khabib, and GSP don't have 9 black belts, weird MJW does

Almost like he is kinda partially full of shit haha

Again dude has some skills for sure, mainly good kicking technique from doing Karate when he was younger from what I can tell

If he is such a great martial artist you'd think he'd get a black belt in something actually effective like BJJ, Judo, etc.

 

[MescalineDreams]

First off, he is absolutely an impressive martial artist, and has some cool skills

But the fact you even have to bring up competing in point karate when he was younger kinda shows how little dude has actually proven as far as actual competition is concerned

"Actors dont get chosen for roles unless they have genuine skill" uhhhhh yeah they do... there are a ton of examples of action stars in movies that can't fight irl... even a lot of the shit in movies he does is silly, like that weird kick two dudes at once thing lol. It's more about looking cool, than actually being practical.

I've never seen him do BJJ, wrestle, kickbox, box, anything.... I've seen fucking Ashten Kutcher training BJJ, never seen MJW lol.... it's all speculation.... and usually, dudes that talk like him are full of shit.... he acts like he is the baddest dude in the world.... reminds me a lot of Steven Segal honestly there are a lot of similarities

Again, it's not like the dude is a 100% charlatan, neither is Steven Segal or JCVD, but he just hasn't proven anything. I know dudes personally from that point karate background that have really flashy kicking techniques that would get absolutely murdered in a real fight. Shit looks a loooot different when someone is actually eating your shots, walking you down, and hitting you back. As I'm sure you know

You should be able to watch someone for a few minutes and know if they're legit

Its not hard

Such movement and techniques cant be faked.

In cases like MJW, the skills and technique shown in the movies outside of the unrealistic shit is very legit..just choreographed is all. Bruce Lee was an actor but the skills he brought to the table to perform his feats were very real.

Even Rogan said the guys kicks are perfect, impeccable which is high praise. Rogan was a national level TKD champ. People hate on Joe, but if he's praising someone, they're legit.

From what I've seen, his hands look pretty good as well. Technique wise, which is more rare among traditional martial artists. Not pro boxer level but very good. Hes more balanced than most traditional martial artists I've seen

His striking is very much legit. Theres no question about that whatsoever.

But we dont know anything about his grappling. He does have a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu so presumably he knows some shit, in that never back down movie he obviously has some understanding of positioning but presumably it's the weaker aspect of his game.

He also frequently spars with high level UFC fighters.

Given his karate style with an emphasis on movement, footwork, excellent kicking repertoire and distance control, he would manage well in a fight. Real or not those guys are hard to fight. You cant seem to find them and get countered consistently on the way in.

Much like weve seen from Wonderboy, Machida or other traditional martial artists.

Just because someone hasnt competed isnt reason to count them out, especially when they're life long martial artists with plenty of experience sparring against elite fighters.

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

If you havent understood my message in all this Platunum is a can that would get searched by a B list actor with training. Dude is a mediocre nut. Come at me

One has evidence of being able to hang at the UFC level and the other is an actor. Regardless of how much MJW has trained or how many belts he has it doesnt mean it translates or that he has the mentality to keep it together in a real full contact fight. Theres countless examples of guys who have trained in arts or combat sports their whole lives who dont put it together in the cage. I judge MMA events regularly and see guys who look like absolute studs on the pads or drilling but mentally collapse when it comes to actually applying it. If the guy was really about that life he would compete or there would be footage of him training hardcore. Even Mario lopez has burner fights and exhibition matches online, dolph has a boxing march against Oleg, and even CM punk got in the cage.

 

[MescalineDreams]

9 black belts..... Jon Jones, Khabib, and GSP don't have 9 black belts, weird MJW does

Almost like he is kinda partially full of shit haha

Again dude has some skills for sure, mainly good kicking technique from doing Karate when he was younger from what I can tell

If he is such a great martial artist you'd think he'd get a black belt in something actually effective like BJJ, Judo, etc.

Not everyone dedicates their time and energy to pursuing traditional martial arts so deeply. He grew up in a very different era.

MMA fighters have to focus in jits, wrestling, boxing, muay thai, judo, weight lifting and everything else.

The idea that karate and traditional martial arts arent effective, especially when adapted to something like mma is pretty well known to be false at this point.

Look at Machida. Wonderboy. Elements of Conor's style in terms of his stance / distance management etc.

Those guys arent even what youd consider anywhere near the top of the food chain when it comes to elite pure karate guys. Not even close. But they've both essentially reached the very top of the sport.

That style is just really hard to fight. Especially in a cage with so much space to move.

It's weird he doesnt train bjj tho. He has a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu but you'd think he would want to be versed in bjj to round out his game

Chuck Norris is like a 3rd degree BJJ black belt or something now

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

More of a fighter with fighting experience than you ever will be. Also just remember GSP, Ronda, Couture, rampage, Frye, Mir, Oleg, cro-cop, Griffin, ,Le, liddell, Jardine, Gina, Bas, Arlovski, Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans, Tito, Faber, Barnett, even Fedor are actors.

You don't know me, mate.

 

[Al Stone]

One has evidence of being able to hang at the UFC level and the other is an actor. Regardless of how much MJW has trained or how many belts he has it doesnt mean it translates or that he has the mentality to keep it together in a real full contact fight. Theres countless examples of guys who have trained in arts or combat sports their whole lives who dont put it together in the cage. I judge MMA events regularly and see guys who look like absolute studs on the pads or drilling but mentally collapse when it comes to actually applying it. If the guy was really about that life he would compete or there would be footage of him training hardcore. Even Mario lopez has burner fights and exhibition matches online, dolph has a boxing march against Oleg, and even CM punk got in the cage.

Exactly we can all only speculate on how we feel others would do. I truly havent seen many fighters with the level of training and skillset MJW have not have any remote success as a pro fighter. There are some dudes like Segal that are 100% psuedo science. MJW actively trains and CONSTANTLY is looking to spar with elite fighters. He doesnt come out bragging who he got the best of and has even admitted who took him to school due to cardio and pace (Ping). Getting in the cage as a fighter requires respect for that commitment. I damn sure dont want that life. Perry is literally on the level that I believe a much bigger well trained actor starched him. Especially a physically gifted beast.

 

[kflo]

You telling a man who you dont know and have never seen or no what he has done in his lifetime what he wont do and calling him squirt is all I need to see. You are weak and live vicariously through the pro fighters on the TV. Many of which are exceptional. You can learn a ton from their techniques. Many are just bums with 0-1 boxing records that try mma and have OK success by selling an entertaining shtick. Mike Perry. Just because that's your station in life dont blame me you live in fear of the Mike Perry's of the world lol. Blame God

mike perry beat paul felder. he beat alex oliveira. he was competitive and relatively even with luque and ponzi as well. You keep acting as if he sucks. That’s impossible given the above. You’re implying that mjw would beat all of those guys easily. Because he’s jacked and has maybe 20 lbs more of muscle and almost the same height. At 52. It’s again a laughable position.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Imagine thinking perfect looking kicks for cinema translate to elite mma striking skills



Bet you guys think Frank Dux and his 15 black belts is the uncrowned GOAT

 

[BoxingFan653]

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

"MJW trains and spars real fighters!!!2!1"

Evidence:

 

[MescalineDreams]

lol the first of the video kind of makes me laugh. Rogan and buddy are going on about how big he is and Shaub is like "Nah man, he came in and he was sparring etc he's not that big" and then changes his tune after they keep going on how big he is lololol

I have no doubt MJW has legit black belts.

Saying that though we have seen many a black belt not be able to translate that into MMA or into actual legit competition. With zero pro fights I think that is where people are coming from against the other guy in the thread.

Well hes old

Hes not transitioning to mma

But, he certainly had the style to do so.

Weve seen what I feel to be lesser karate fighters like wonderboy and machida ( relatively speaking) reach the top of the mountain.

From what little I've seen, MJW has much better boxing than most traditional martial artists.

Hes been known to spar with elite mma guys for quite a while.

Obviously its speculation but we have a pretty good frame of reference for elite traditional martial artists succeeding in mma.

Their style is simply hard to find. Hard to catch. Kyokushin karate point fighting just creates a different level of footwork, distance control, countering prowess and ability to avoid being hit.

 

[MescalineDreams]

"MJW trains and spars real fighters!!!2!1"

Evidence:

It's pretty well known. He frequents many mma gyms. Theres a few vids on YouTube of him with various fighters.

Even the video I just posted with machida where they're flowing.

Obviously kimbo.

Rogan has trained with him in person.

Just because there is limited footage doesnt make it any less true.

 

[kflo]

More of a fighter with fighting experience than you ever will be. Also just remember GSP, Ronda, Couture, rampage, Frye, Mir, Oleg, cro-cop, Griffin, ,Le, liddell, Jardine, Gina, Bas, Arlovski, Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans, Tito, Faber, Barnett, even Fedor are actors.

They are fighters who have acted or are acting.

MJW was never a fighter. He’s an actor and a part time martial artist.

 

[MescalineDreams]

One has evidence of being able to hang at the UFC level and the other is an actor. Regardless of how much MJW has trained or how many belts he has it doesnt mean it translates or that he has the mentality to keep it together in a real full contact fight. Theres countless examples of guys who have trained in arts or combat sports their whole lives who dont put it together in the cage. I judge MMA events regularly and see guys who look like absolute studs on the pads or drilling but mentally collapse when it comes to actually applying it. If the guy was really about that life he would compete or there would be footage of him training hardcore. Even Mario lopez has burner fights and exhibition matches online, dolph has a boxing march against Oleg, and even CM punk got in the cage.

Hes over 50

Expecting him to compete is like expecting Rogan to compete

And I'm pretty sure an older, more mature martial artist doesnt care about proving such petty shit to the average onlooker.

People in the actual community of fighters know hes legit. Who cares about anything else

 

[MescalineDreams]

They are fighters who have acted or are acting.

MJW was never a fighter. He’s an actor and a part time martial artist.

Amazing how many people write off talented martial artists just because they dont compete

Sad

The amount of people calling him just an actor are delusional at this point. Theres no nice way to put it.