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My standards would be post op to be considered trans. That doesn't mean they would become what they are pretending to be. However they can use some of the private facilities that are for what they are pretending to be.
If they want to dress up pre op then I don't care but thats all they are doing is playing dress up.
This guy is playing dress up to take advantage of the standards the left have set. "If they say they are a woman then they are a woman."
I understand considering a post-op transgender individual "actual" transgender, or whatever, and also that they'd be less of a threat without a cock (even though we know that would never end the conversation - they're still much, much stronger and more athletic than biological women per the arguments on sport that I assume you agree with).
However, what's the purpose of discriminating against someone who is too young/too poor/too badly supported to actually have the op?
Trans people have to be wealthy? That doesn't make sense.
Trans is an identity, not a biological imperative, which is something the right has poked fun at the entire time. Your version of a trans person is someone's version of a mutilated mental patient. How are we all going to agree when there are such chasmic differences on any side? You'll even have someone trotting along explaining how straight forward and simple it all is.
Bottom line, though, if you don't live your life as a trans person... you're not trans.
This fucker wasn't trans. This fucker isn't trans. Other pre-op transgender folk simply must qualify as trans, by comparison.