Social Meme Thread v.84: Retaking Constantinople

[A Very Serious Cat]

I understand it's now officially against the rules tk call someone a groomer, however is it against the rules to suggest a user might have a collection of very little shoes in his basement?

 

[lifelessheap]

I remember when everyone agreed we should protect our children. Now the powers that be are running interference for their potential abusers.

Shame on anyone who doesn't shine a light on abusers.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Is posting this image and nothing else against the rules?

 

[Canned Tuna]

I know this just hearsay and some won't believe me, but my good bud IRL is married to a woman whose family is firmly entrenched in the CCP. This a screenshot of their group chat.

***img redacted by CCP***

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

I know this just hearsay and some won't believe me, but my good bud IRL is married to a woman whose family is firmly entrenched in the CCP. This a screenshot of their group chat.

Bro is playing both sides very well

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

On the kids at drag shows specifically, because that's basically what caused the explosion in usage around here, just gonna say it's come down from high that there's a need to be more.... eloquent and keep things gray with expressing our displeasure that that type of activity is even debatable.

Dear Jesus man, are you listening to yourself?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Canned Tuna]

Bro is playing both sides very well

He shares their group chats with me sometimes because the translations can be hilarious. One of them was someone talking about petting cats, but it translated the word for "pet" to "masturbate".

When he showed me this one we're both just like "holy fuck that's real?"

Now I suspect that his wife is a sleeper agent

 

[Canned Tuna]

On the kids at drag shows specifically, because that's basically what caused the explosion in usage around here, just gonna say it's come down from high that there's a need to be more.... eloquent and keep things gray with expressing our displeasure that that type of activity is even debatable.

Keep it gray that we don't approve of children at drag shows?

I'll take my ban happily, thanks.

I haven't been and I'm not going to start throwing around baseless accusations, but I'm also not going to censor my opinion on the depravity of children performing at drag shows.

 

[Fake Doctor]

A little googling brought up this. Basically grooming is a “civilian” word and not an actual legal definition of actions. But grooming is understood to be softening a child up so that they engage with sexual acts with them, and that element is illegal. Kind of like if we plebs says someone assaulted someone if they punched them. But that’s not assault, that’s battery, assault only means threatened in the legal sense. I think your casing to burglary analogy is a fairly accurate one. The intent with that action is still to commit a crime.



Grooming – the act of cultivating behavior to exploit a child. While the term has only recently entered the public lexicon, it has been an undercurrent of many criminal cases over the years. However, is grooming a crime?

Grooming Defined
Grooming or child grooming is the act of deliberately establishing a relationship with a child to prepare them for abuse. As an action in and of itself, grooming does not have criminal penalties, but facilitation of a criminal sexual act is considered a crime.

Conspiracy and facilitation are the first steps in the criminal process and are therefore crimes. The difference between grooming and the facilitation of a sex crime is the fact that one is behavioral training while the other is the lead in to a crime. Behavioral conditioning does not always result in abuse, so it remains a gray area legally.

Grooming is like sprinkles on an ice cream cone; it enhances the dessert, but it is still an ice cream cone without the sprinkles. In general, grooming is a tactic used to entice and trap children to make them engage in sexual acts. Rarely is grooming used in a criminal context outside of sexual assault, trafficking, or the production of child pornography.

Interesting, and thanks for the response. I don't agree with every element of this rule, particularly in relation to how other terms are used, but I hugely appreciate you taking the time to explain the reasoning. I also get that this isn't a just bunch of mods sitting around conspiring to put in rules to piss people off.

And, as I'm teaching my daughter, rules are rules whether you like 'em or not. Good luck with the enforcement - I'll try not to fall afoul however ghoulish I think some of the stuff posters are endorsing is.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

While I'm not a fan of this I do like they've effectively said its ok as long as you're creative in the words you choose. A linguistic challenge basically

 

[AZ103]

Interesting, and thanks for the response. I don't agree with every element of this rule, particularly in relation to how other terms are used, but I hugely appreciate you taking the time to explain the reasoning. I also get that this isn't a just bunch of mods sitting around conspiring to put in rules to piss people off.

And, as I'm teaching my daughter, rules are rules whether you like 'em or not. Good luck with the enforcement - I'll try not to fall afoul however ghoulish I think some of the stuff posters are endorsing is.

What a horrid thing to teach your daughter lmao. Ban me fuckers im calling out the s.

 

[Fake Doctor]

Dear Jesus man, are you listening to yourself?

I'm just going to add in a note before people shoot the messenger... I have my only yellows from calling a poster the g word here and I think I was absolutely spot on with that calling, and I don't think this rule is entirely consistent and reflects a more broad societal imbalance in standards of discourse.

That being said, concerning the messenger here... Pre-mod, and I think this continues into his period of being a mod, I've seen Hockey consistently be a guy who calls out bullshit (my own inlcuded) on both sides of the aisle and routinely act with humility and has shown himself to be one of the most levelheaded posters here. He's the picture of a quality member here, even if he ain't perfect - heck, none of us are.

If you want to shoot he messenger fill your boots - but I think that it's off base. However you feel about this rule change, Hockey is taking the time to explain it to us. Not many mods do that. We should be saying thanks for that and not taking our frustrations out on him. I don't get the impression he's saying "Here's this great thing we're doing and you're going to like it, just like I do" - he's just telling us what's going on. Remember that - everyone here - as you're considering whether to start expressing your feelings on the rule at the guy.

 

[jrams]

 

[Fake Doctor]

What a horrid thing to teach your daughter lmao. Ban me fuckers im calling out the s.

Eh, as you like it. Keep in mind, I'm not teaching her that you follow all the rules - I'm teaching her that rules are a fact of life, and you need to think carefully about whether you follow them or break them, and whether breaking a particular rule is a worthwhile hill to die on. Both following rules, and breaking them, can be a bad decision if done without careful consideration, and I'm trying to teach her that rules are both a fact of life and something that you have to choose to fight sometimes. Some of you Yanks are a bit too knee-jerk in your rebellious attitudes sometimes, and just doesn't fit for a mealy-mouthed centrist like myself.

 

[Teppodama]

This whole issue simply isn't a fight concerned adults can allow themselves to lose. They cannot allow themselves to be silenced or intimidated into backing down. You want a social issue to go to war on, this is the one. If you're not going to fight for your kids you might as well hand them over for cuddly inappropriate sexualized dag playtime hour now.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I know this just hearsay and some won't believe me, but my good bud IRL is married to a woman whose family is firmly entrenched in the CCP. This a screenshot of their group chat.

My initial reaction is:

But in all seriousness, I hope some one has the backbone to whats necessary if things escalate. I don't think brandon can do that.

 

[jrams]

This whole issue simply isn't a fight concerned adults can allow themselves to lose. They cannot allow themselves to be silenced or intimidated into backing down. You want a social issue to go to war on, this is the one. If you're not going to fight for your kids you might as well hand them over for cuddly inappropriate sexualized dag playtime hour now.

I agree, but it's a meme thread on a karate forum. This is not the battleground the matters.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Hey @HockeyBjj, it's not against the rules to post memes like this, right?

That probably ends up in the mod discretion category, and to me, memes get a lot of leeway. And I’m pretty sure I’m the only mod who frequents the meme thread.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Dear Jesus man, are you listening to yourself?

Yeah. And in disagreeing with something there’s very much a value added and effectiveness in engaging with deliberate wording rather than just reactionary insults that get dismissed.