Opinion Meet the man who destroyed your economy; Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson

You glossed over that it could have been another strain, or a cluster that died off. Doesn't really change anything in regards to what has happened.

Yes, this is more serious in areas with high poulation density and other variables, that's been known for quite some time now.

I would say it has less to do with population density and everything to do with the age of the patient and any existing medical conditions they have.

Per CDC reports, if you're under 55, the mortality rate is less than 1%, and for 35 and under it's less than 0.1%. Patients over 65 account for almost 75% off all reported cases.

I'm guessing there's huge numbers of younger people who've been exposed and were never "Reported" because they either had no symptoms or had very mild symptoms.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
 
Truly terrifying stuff, good to see you got this one figured out. I mean, improving health and education and reducing hunger and poverty? The nerve of these people, and right out in the open too!
Did i tell him to be scared? I believe i told him his idea didnt line up with the agenda.

But please go on debunking whatever it is you think im presenting, hero.
 
If it's been known why'd you argue me saying it. Lol

And no, it did not die off in the middle of flu season and winter.

AGAIN. My original post you argued with is proving to be 100% correct
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I never argued that several variables, including population density, didn't effect the spread. We talked about that months ago in the Breaking News thread. I was arguing with you saying that the vast majority of the 15% were infected before the lockdowns. Which based on date of testing for antibodies, and the time it takes for the antibodies to be detectable, didn't line up.

In regards to the virus being in France a month earlier, it could have been an early cluster that died off, yes. It's in the article. Morelikely, it was an older strain which wasn't as infectious. Read the reply.

I would say it has less to do with population density and everything to do with the age of the patient and any existing medical conditions they have.

Per CDC reports, if you're under 55, the mortality rate is less than 1%, and for 35 and under it's less than 0.1%. Patients over 65 account for almost 75% off all reported cases.

I'm guessing there's huge numbers of younger people who've been exposed and were never "Reported" because they either had no symptoms or had very mild symptoms.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
Mate you're looking at all cause mortality in that age group over that timeframe, not COVID-19 cases. The number of cases are most likely pretty evenly split, but obviously deaths are largely overrepresentated in the older age group.

But, you're right, in regards to deaths age, health, co-morbidities, polution, lifestyle and otherwise seems to be the most important ones.
 
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I never argued that several variables, including population density, didn't effect the spread. We talked about that months ago in the Breaking News thread. I was arguing with you saying that the vast majority of the 15% were infected before the lockdowns. Which based on date of testing for antibodies, and the time it takes for the antibodies to be detectable, didn't line up.

In regards to the virus being in France a month earlier, it could have been an early cluster that died off, yes. It's in the article. Morelikely, it was an older strain which wasn't as infectious. Read the reply.


Mate you're looking at all cause mortality in that age group over that timeframe, not COVID-19 cases. The number of cases are most likely pretty evenly split, but obviously deaths are largely overrepresentated in the older age group.

But, you're right, in regards to deaths age, health, co-morbidities, polution, lifestyle and otherwise seems to be the most important ones.

It's got all causes, but COV reported cases and COV related deaths have their own column as well.
 
It's got all causes, but COV reported cases and COV related deaths have their own column as well.
You mentioned the number 771,637 as total cases in the other thread right? That's the total death column. Am I missing something?
 
You mentioned the number 771,637 as total cases in the other thread right? That's the total death column. Am I missing something?

Yup... wrong table. I got them mixed up. Apologies
 
Yup... wrong table. I got them mixed up. Apologies
No worries. Again, look at the link from Italy age demographics. Seems like the cases are pretty evenly split across age, but clearly deaths are not.
 
I would say it has less to do with population density and everything to do with the age of the patient and any existing medical conditions they have.

Per CDC reports, if you're under 55, the mortality rate is less than 1%, and for 35 and under it's less than 0.1%. Patients over 65 account for almost 75% off all reported cases.

I'm guessing there's huge numbers of younger people who've been exposed and were never "Reported" because they either had no symptoms or had very mild symptoms.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Isn't this true for most diseases? Mylaria is pretty nasty but the fast majority of deaths come from the very young or very old.
 
Prof Gupta’s premise that people were already infected has been proven to be true according to French doctors that proved there was an infected patient as early as of December of last year.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fren...irus-case-from-december-possible-patient-zero

Ferguson's model is based on no actions being taken.

Gupta, himself, makes certain assumptions basically predicated on herd immunity. It didn’t work in France if there were proven cases in France back in December and France still had to lockdown. Japan did nothing and had to lockdown. Tokyo medical officials were on NHK admitting Tokyo hospital beds were maxed out already a month ago.

It’s bizarre Gupta and the other specialist in the article don’t address the medical system breaking but as usual just focus on a pure science response that this is let’s say like the flu but really really bad but oh well, humanity will survive. Some scientists are truly tone deaf. If Stephen Hawking or an Einstein level scientist dies, too bad?

Governor Cuomo of the state of New York is already planning to reopen. Not sure why people believe the government want to our rights away. The US already has been turned into a surveillance state with the creation of Homeland Security. The government bureaucracies are interested in growing and that’s the real concern.

We’ve given up our rights just being on the Internet where we allow our mobile phone operators and installed apps and websites tracking and building profiles about us.

But we rail against imaginary nonsense.
 
Another dead center hit by the "experts" whose concerns are so sincere and accurate that they don't follow any of the rules they want imposed on you.

It's still real to me, dammit!!!

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Not surprising, back in March there wasn't enough data (there still isn't) to build an accurate model. They were probably working with a range of scenarios and went with one the most pessimistic ones, reasoning that in the aftermath at least they couldn't be accused of lowballing the deaths. Pretty sure we used it in Canada too, our initial estimates were more than 300,000 dead which would mean ~0.8% of the population which would obviously be quite traumatic. Now that it's been going around for 2 months, the trends indicate that the risk of complications sharply drops off in healthy population under age 60 and the vast majority (here in Quebec it's over 97%) of the deaths are occurring in ages 70 and up, with a sharp increase in age 80 and higher vs 70-79. The mortality rate for ages lower than 30 here in Quebec is literally 0%, and you need to keep in mind that this population includes a lot of people who are considered essential, e.g. grocery stores, gas stations, etc. meaning they are very exposed to the virus.

The shotgun approach is overkill, that's becoming clear. You need to isolate seniors and those with pre-existing conditions, put them on full quarantine lockdown, severely limit contact. The rest of us though need to be exposed. There's no vaccine in sight (we still don't have 2003 SARS vaccine), there's no effective treatment, so what's the other option? Stay in lockdown for 12 months hoping that some day everything will be alright? Herd immunity is the only way.
 
Not surprising, back in March there wasn't enough data (there still isn't) to build an accurate model. They were probably working with a range of scenarios and went with one the most pessimistic ones, reasoning that in the aftermath at least they couldn't be accused of lowballing the deaths. Pretty sure we used it in Canada too, our initial estimates were more than 300,000 dead which would mean ~0.8% of the population which would obviously be quite traumatic. Now that it's been going around for 2 months, the trends indicate that the risk of complications sharply drops off in healthy population under age 60 and the vast majority (here in Quebec it's over 97%) of the deaths are occurring in ages 70 and up, with a sharp increase in age 80 and higher vs 70-79. The mortality rate for ages lower than 30 here in Quebec is literally 0%, and you need to keep in mind that this population includes a lot of people who are considered essential, e.g. grocery stores, gas stations, etc. meaning they are very exposed to the virus.

The shotgun approach is overkill, that's becoming clear. You need to isolate seniors and those with pre-existing conditions, put them on full quarantine lockdown, severely limit contact. The rest of us though need to be exposed. There's no vaccine in sight (we still don't have 2003 SARS vaccine), there's no effective treatment, so what's the other option? Stay in lockdown for 12 months hoping that some day everything will be alright? Herd immunity is the only way.
But the rate for younger people is that low as long as you have enough ICU beds. Else it's still not enormous but pretty significant. Lots of people aged 40 or 50 are getting intubated. Obese people are also getting hit hard, even younger ones. The only group that seems completely safe from the virus are young kids.
The main reason for quarantine is to flatten the curve, everybody will get it but not at the same time.

About Ferguson, he was wrong twice it seems. He exaggerated deaths at first and then minimized them too much. He expected less than 20,000 deaths in the UK as per TS, yet we now have around 30,000 deaths in the UK and that's with the quarantine and many people not being contaminated yet.
Now he was caught chasing tail. What's next? He catches corona and dies?
 
Isn't this true for most diseases? Mylaria is pretty nasty but the fast majority of deaths come from the very young or very old.
Yes, except COVID-19 seems harmless for the very young.
 
But the rate for younger people is that low as long as you have enough ICU beds. Else it's still not enormous but pretty significant. Lots of people aged 40 or 50 are getting intubated. Obese people are also getting hit hard, even younger ones. The only group that seems completely safe from the virus are young kids.
The main reason for quarantine is to flatten the curve, everybody will get it but not at the same time.

About Ferguson, he was wrong twice it seems. He exaggerated deaths at first and then minimized them too much. He expected less than 20,000 deaths in the UK as per TS, yet we now have around 30,000 deaths in the UK and that's with the quarantine and many people not being contaminated yet.
Now he was caught chasing tail. What's next? He catches corona and dies?

He has a track record. He also predicted 65,000 UK deaths from swine flu in 2009, the reality was 283. So his Swedish projection of over 40,000 deaths was actually pretty good by his usual standards.
 
Imagine thinking the economy was destroyed in the past few months and not systematically for the past 40 years

Please teach me how to smooth my brain over, sherbros
 
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