Measles outbreak in Gaines county, Texas.

[surgeyou1]

How are we getting dumber?

 

[Renard]

What makes this topic so funny/frustrating, is that the people who parrot on about “l trust science” are literally ignoring the science. And they’re belligerent about it. WTF.

Yeah and it's crazy the amount of detail we went into in those threads. Everything was analyzed. The VAERS reports, the Yellow Card reports in the UK, the known amount of under reporting, the IFR, the weird thing where you weren't considered vaccinated for 2 weeks after vaccination #2 - meaning your death could be classified as "unvaccinated." Now these people come in and expect you to spoon feed them from the very beginning. That's not happening. You'd need a 200-page PDF and they wouldn't read it either way, just like they didn't read or question anything at the time.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Antivaxxers were a big thing even before COVID. It just got bigger after it.

Crazy how eroding public trust in vaccines by forcing the population to take an ineffective yet incredibly profitable drug will have a ripple effect.

 

[fedoriswar37]

The ideological inconsistency is you say if you don't get your kid vaccinated and they get sick - that's abuse

But then if you do get them vaccinated and they get vaccine injured - that isn't abuse.

There's no ideological consistency there. It's purely ideology driven.

Correction, if you do get them vaccinated and they get injured it's just daaa science brooo. You mamed your child for the greater good.

 

[fedoriswar37]

RFK will soon make his preferred line of essential oils affordable to all.

Or you know just hold vaccines to the standards of other medications and provide people with real data to make an informed choice. Crazy.

 

[Source]

Crazy how eroding public trust in vaccines by forcing the population to take an ineffective yet incredibly profitable drug will have a ripple effect.

That’s funny the incoming NIH director in an interview on newsmax called the Covid vaccine a victory. Here’s his quote.


"We actually should be declaring victory. We have done a fantastic job. We have developed a vaccine that has essentially turned this pandemic into something much milder."

 

[fedoriswar37]

That’s funny the incoming NIH director in an interview on newsmax called the Covid vaccine a victory. Here’s his quote.


"We actually should be declaring victory. We have done a fantastic job. We have developed a vaccine that has essentially turned this pandemic into something much milder."

That has to be the most vague cherry picked description of Jay Bhattacharyas work that you could have possibly found. Do you just assume people don't have access to the internet?

 

[Source]

That has to be the most vague cherry picked description of Jay Bhattacharyas work that you could have possibly found. Do you just assume people don't have access to the internet?

You called it ineffective and he said it was a victory. Sorry to break up your narrative.

 

[Cajun]

Not me, most doctors I've met don't have their patients best interest in mind. I worked in the medical field during the pandemic and my gf has over 20 years as well.

Doctors are a mixed bag no doubt. They aren't all created equal. I'm a big advocate for 2nd or 3rd opinions if it's going to change my life. When I was a teen my niece only slept an hour a night and her behavior was incredibly erratic. My sister took her to the doctor and diagnosed her with schizophrenia at 5 years old. They were saying they could forcibly take her for own good and hospitalize her. Obv the family was devastated and in a panic. They ended up taking her to New Orleans and the doctor observed and told my sister that there is no way a child of 5 has schizophrenia. They tested her and she had a corn allergy which is in everything.

If we had left it to the one doctor her life would have been drastically different. Thats why I will never trust just one if it's going to really affect my life. Bottom line is doctors make mistakes all the time and the body is extremely complex. My niece is married now and doing fine but imagine the alternative.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Self sabotage? Didn't he lobby against measles vaccine? And now there is a measles outbreak?

RFK doesn't lobby against vaccines. He thinks they should be held to the same standard as other medications.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

RFK doesn't lobby against vaccines. He thinks they should be held to the same standard as other medications.

Either way, seems sus there is an outbreak right when he was about to be confirmed.

 

[fedoriswar37]

You called it ineffective and he said it was a victory. Sorry to break up your narrative.

You copy and pasted a sentence In parenthesis as if it held any validity outside of your internal circle jerk

 

[BFoe]

RFK doesn't lobby against vaccines. He thinks they should be held to the same standard as other medications.

He’s spoken at anti-vaccine conferences, as recently as last year. He is on record saying “no vaccine is safe and effective,” which is absolute nonsense. An anti-vax lobbyist group called Children’s Health Defense (lol @ that name) sells RFK merch at their events, and their former president runs the super PAC that supported RFK’s candidacy. He absolutely lobbies against vaccines.

 

[fedoriswar37]

He’s spoken at anti-vaccine conferences, as recently as last year. He is on record saying “no vaccine is safe and effective,” which is absolute nonsense. An anti-vax lobbyist group called Children’s Health Defense (lol @ that name) sells RFK merch at their events, and their former president runs the super PAC that supported RFK’s candidacy. He absolutely lobbies against vaccines.

He is on record saying lol in that same exact interview with lex friedman he went on to say that live virus vaccines appear to be both safe and effective.

 

[BFoe]

He is on record saying lol in that same exact interview with lex friedman he went on to say that live virus vaccines appear to be both safe and effective.

No he didn’t. He said, “I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they’re causing,” which is hardly the same thing. His very next sentence was “no vaccine is safe and effective.”

Full exchange:

Lex Fridman(01:55:38) You’ve talked about that the media slanders you by calling you an anti-vaxxer, and you’ve said that you’re not anti-vaccine, you’re pro safe vaccine. Difficult question, can you name any vaccines that you think are good?
Robert F. Kennedy Jr(01:55:55) I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably averting more problems than they’re causing. There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective. In fact-
Lex Fridman(01:56:09) Those are big words.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr(01:56:09) … Those are big words.

RFK then proceeds to spread to polio vax disinformation.

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[Madmick]

Yeah and it's crazy the amount of detail we went into in those threads. Everything was analyzed. The VAERS reports, the Yellow Card reports in the UK, the known amount of under reporting, the IFR, the weird thing where you weren't considered vaccinated for 2 weeks after vaccination #2 - meaning your death could be classified as "unvaccinated." Now these people come in and expect you to spoon feed them from the very beginning. That's not happening. You'd need a 200-page PDF and they wouldn't read it either way, just like they didn't read or question anything at the time.

WTF are you talking about? I went over dozens of studies and reports during COVID from official bodies, and I never saw this. The CDC has never counted anyone as unvaccinated after two vaccines.

Sounds like you fell for some kind of bullshit.

 

[GhostZ06]

How are we getting dumber?

lol have you read trump supporters in here?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

One of the good things I remember leaning about measles is that when the measles vaccine came out in the early 1960s, almost no one died from measles. If I recall correctly only 1 person had been recorded as dying from the measles the year before the vaccine came out.

It used to be different. Measles used to be a deadlier disease. What changed is our food supply improved, as did our clean water access. With great amounts to eat, and better quality foods available year round out natural immune system became stronger and with that measles became a less deadly disease.

What?

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/h... decade before, nearly,400 to 500 people died

A vaccine became available in 1963. In the decade before, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:

• 400 to 500 people died
• 48,000 were hospitalized
• 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)

 

[Greco_Wiz]

I’m not a huge vaccines cause autism guy, but to say this has been “debunked” is not entirely true. A former head of CDC admitted symptoms “that have characteristics of autism” following vaccination, and vaccine court has paid on many such cases.

JULIE GERBERDING, DR., CDC DIRECTOR: "Well, you know, I don't have all the facts because I still haven't been able to review the case files myself. But my understanding is that the child has a -- what we think is a rare mitochondrial disorder… Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you're predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."

I know that the MMR reduces the number of diagnosed measles cases, because we actually have quality data to support that… what we don’t know, is at what cost? As I’ve posted already, the MMR program in the US is responsible for thousands of febrile seizures and hundreds of epilepsy cases each year… and these are just two adverse events, and it took decades before we found this out. What other adverse events are occurring (if any) is difficult to determine because we simply aren’t looking for them, and we never have been.

You’re demanding unrealistic safety standards exclusively for vaccines. We can’t possibly evaluate the effect of vaccination on every possible side effect. There is nothing you put on or in body — from the foods you eat to the shampoo and and deodorant you use to prescription meds — which undergo more rigorous safety evaluations than vaccines.

What exactly is your safety standard? Which risk factors should be assessed and for which vaccines? What population sizes would you consider sufficient and why? What effect size do you plan statistically for? What type of epidemiological study designs do you propose and why? Should we only consider cohort studies? If we adjust for a dozen covariates and use propensity score matching, you’ll find another dozen what-ifs to whine about. It’s an argument from ignorance based on conceivable/theoretical harms without any consideration for plausible mechanisms and the limitations of reality.

I predict you won’t answer a single one ^^ of those questions because you don’t have a realistic safety standard in mind. You’ve probably never even thought about it.

The MMR/V vaccines are safe by any reasonable definition. Should safety assessments continue and even expand? Sure. But to pretend that there’s some big black box around their safety which justifies not getting vaccinated is ridiculous.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673686910445

“The vast majority of adverse reactions following immunisation of children with live measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine were shown in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study in 581 twin pairs to be only temporally but not causally related to the vaccination.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.

Serious adverse events after measles-mumps-rubella... : The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal

hed in Finland in 1982, a countrywide surveillance system was set up to detect serious adverse events associated with MMR. To obtain detailed case histories vaccinees’ clinical charts were reviewed. Serum samples were analyzed to trace concurrent infections. Setting. All hospitals and health...

journals.lww.com

“Causality between immunization and a subsequent untoward event cannot be estimated solely on the basis of a temporal relation. Comprehensive analysis of the reported adverse reactions established that serious events causally related to MMR vaccine are rare and greatly outweighed by the risks of natural MMR diseases”

Non-specific beneficial effect of measles immunisation: analysis of mortality studies from developing countries

Objective : To examine whether the reduction in mortality after standard titre measles immunisation in developing countries can be explained simply by the prevention of acute measles and its long term consequences. Design : An analysis of all studies comparing mortality of unimmunised children...

www.bmj.com

These observations suggest that standard titre measles vaccine may confer a beneficial effect which is unrelated to the specific protection against measles disease.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/110/5/957/64506/Neurologic-Disorders-After-Measles-Mumps-Rubella

We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.