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Max holloway and his overrated boxing

it is noteworthy that right after he said "best boxer in the ufc" he ate a shot right in the face
that said i really dig him as a fighter
 
Tomas said:
The only thing you could really criticize about his boxing (for mma) is his lack of one punch KO power and his defense

Other than that he's an elite MMA boxer
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He's one of the best but his technique has a lot of holes. He doesn't level change for body shots, he can get away with that in mma but not against elite level pure boxers. Plus his combos are repetitive, once you figure out the patterns his shot selection isn't that heavy. But that doesn't really matter because lots of elite level boxers have limited shot selection and it's their timing that makes them levels above the competition. But since his combos and patterns are repetitive he will be open to the elite counter punchers.

He struggled with Poirer's philly shell style and in the pocket exchanges. He will always struggle vs that style. Pure boxing Max's style is tailor made for the philly shell and in fighting style because of the lack of power. Plus no level changes he's open to check hooks and lead hooks. He can get away with it in mma, but not against elite boxing. The fight vs Dustin exposed the holes in his boxing. He has good head movement vs more textbook style boxers that throw 1-3 punch combinations from long range as he pulls back, but not mid range or in the pocket vs combo punchers like Dustin.
 
JonJonesLost3times said:
@Ivancho

Yes and to critique somebody's boxing in an MMA fight is about as dumb as you can get. Boxing is sport specific. Mcgregor may have the best hands in an MMA bout, especially 3 round fights, but in a professional boxing bout many guys in the UFC stop him, especially Diaz and Poirier and probably Holloway.
You just proved how dumb your thread is.

But in MMA, holloway just embarrassed Kattar with his hands and Kattar is probably the best actual boxer in that division if it isn't Holloway. So I don't get your point at all.
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Boxing isn't sport specific, boxing is a martial art. They are still using boxing even though it's in mma. That's like saying people aren't really using BJJ because it's in MMA. See how that makes zero sense?
 
Morning Star said:
Guess that would make Francis Ngannou the best boxer in the sport then going by your logic.
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Results matter. What is effective is what matters. Just because you think you have better technique but get KO, does it mean you are more effective or less effective? People that focus too much on textbook technique over effectiveness are the same ones that focus more on the theory that the nicer looking techniques should win, but that's not how it works out in reality.
 
Arkham's Notorious Geyser said:
THERE IT IS LOL!

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A Fighter can never truly have his Moment with people like TS lol. Obviously he's not the Best MMA Boxer, but in the Context of the fight against Kattar, and what the Pundits were saying, when Max knew he was ahead and had already made it clear, he took the time to gloat and show people doubting his Boxing that they didn't know what the FUCK they were talking about.

He said it out of emotion, and it it's something he believes, SO WHAT, you have to be a bit delusional and hype yourself up to accomplish great things. You want him to say he's not the Best Boxer?
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I think he does believe he's the best boxer but you have to have that mentality. I think it was more like you said tho. They were talking about Kattar's boxing and he himself talking about being the best boxer then gets out boxed. That was pretty crazy the awareness he had to know exactly what the commentary team had been saying the whole fight then talk to them while dodging punches and countering.
 
You can grasp at straws and express your arbitrary opinion, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter as long as his performance translates in the cage.
 
Morning Star said:
Did he though? Or does Dustin just have more power than Max? Cause that's how I saw it.
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Yeah, but isn't power a big part of boxing? I find Max a good boxer, but he is not elite (as in, compated with top boxers)
 
overrated indeed. he beat a nobody but looked good doing it. meh Par for the course for max who had his shit pushed in 4 times by dustin and alexander.
 
Oldman1 said:
Pretty important attibute in boxing. It's not a dance competition.
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It does not make you a "better" boxer because you have more power. More effective, sure. But "better" MUST imply technique.
 
Him taking a lot of punches is due to his output, his defense actually isn't bad at all. There are people that get hit less but at a higher percentage.
 
Not a single mention of Petr Yan in this thread, that's insane. Best boxer in the UFC is between Yan, Masvidal, Holloway, and Conor.
 
it is very good FOR MMA
only thing is,
if he caught w/7-9 hard shots from a pro boxer
like he did from Calvin.....
He'd be on his back.

He would NOT BE ALLOWED to kick and elbow and all that fun stuff.
He would NOT BE ALLOWED to be "Max Holloway"

simply not the same game.
its just ego/man shit gone sideways when boxers talk MMA and fighters talk boxing.
When one guy talks about the competing in the OTHER GAME, he is talking out his "EGO ASS" but doesn't realize it.
You won't see Floyd in an octagon.
 
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He does throw alot of straight punches but he knows where theyre gonna land and its effective
 
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