Max has been an example of favorable matchmaking

He lost to them because he was 20 years old and green.

Conor is the biggest benefactor of favorable style. lost to a wrestler and fought another on < 2 weeks notice.

Lol Conor is the only contender sherdoggers were insisting needed to fight a top 3 wrestler before a title shot. He did and people still complain, to this day. The agenda was and is pretty obvious.
 
Max is a hell of an athlete, but he is very much like Woodley, not in fighting style but fighting success.

Almost all of his wins, although impressive, have been over people who don't really mix it up TDS that much with great striking.

Ortega? Doesn't really have great TDS, good subs and decent boxing, more than anything though a boxer with bjj.

Pettis: Specialist outside fighterr with bjj


I'd say Ricardo Lamas fits the bill best here, but he isn't a world beater.

When he lost against Conor, Dennis and Dustin it was because they mixed up their excellent striking with takedowns. We have yet to see Max really prove he can handle this.
you casual fuck bahahah
 
I haven’t rewatched the Bermudez fight, but then again that was years ago, and Holloway has rounded out his game tremendously.
 
Max is a hell of an athlete, but he is very much like Woodley, not in fighting style but fighting success.

Almost all of his wins, although impressive, have been over people who don't really mix it up TDS that much with great striking.

Ortega? Doesn't really have great TDS, good subs and decent boxing, more than anything though a boxer with bjj.

Pettis: Specialist outside fighterr with bjj


I'd say Ricardo Lamas fits the bill best here, but he isn't a world beater.

When he lost against Conor, Dennis and Dustin it was because they mixed up their excellent striking with takedowns. We have yet to see Max really prove he can handle this.

Holloway beat Aldo twice. That more than anything else establishes his greatness. Go watch what Aldo did to Frankie after getting KO'd by Conor.

And he lost to Poirier when he was 18 fucking years old...

Jesus... good day for this forum to be called "wasteland"
 
lol stop, holloway has pretty much beat everyone who's worth a shit at FW outside of a couple guys, some of which who are just now becoming contenders.


i also love how people bring up losses from years ago, completely ignoring the fact that said fighter improved a shitload.
 
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Stay incredulous mother fuckers. This is a high quality troll. I'm proud of you OP.
 
Max is a hell of an athlete, but he is very much like Woodley, not in fighting style but fighting success.

Almost all of his wins, although impressive, have been over people who don't really mix it up TDS that much with great striking.

Ortega? Doesn't really have great TDS, good subs and decent boxing, more than anything though a boxer with bjj.

Pettis: Specialist outside fighterr with bjj


I'd say Ricardo Lamas fits the bill best here, but he isn't a world beater.

When he lost against Conor, Dennis and Dustin it was because they mixed up their excellent striking with takedowns. We have yet to see Max really prove he can handle this.
That is a ridiculous opinion.
Just because you want to prove some asinine point, you don't have to make shit up.

Conor is a striker.
Dennis is a very limited fighter.
but most of all, they both fought Max while he was not taking MMA seriously.
Once he made the switch (after Conor fight), he has been of fire and starching everyone who's on his way.

Now, I do agree that his TDD is not that amazing, but it is a solid 83% and while he is only a purple belt in BJJ, he was never really dominated on the ground (of late) for you to make such statement.

besides.... favourable Matches??? Are you serious???
The dude fought EVERYONE put in front of him!
The only guy he should have fought but didn't was Frankie, and that's because Ortega KTFO him.
 
That is a ridiculous opinion.
Just because you want to prove some asinine point, you don't have to make shit up.

Conor is a striker.
Dennis is a very limited fighter.
but most of all, they both fought Max while he was not taking MMA seriously.
Once he made the switch (after Conor fight), he has been of fire and starching everyone who's on his way.

Now, I do agree that his TDD is not that amazing, but it is a solid 83% and while he is only a purple belt in BJJ, he was never really dominated on the ground (of late) for you to make such statement.

besides.... favourable Matches???
The dude fought EVERYONE put in front of him!
The only guy he should have fought but didn't was Frankie, and that's because Ortega KTFO him.

But it's not. We have just seen Tyron Woodley lose a dominant decision to someone who is a well rounded fighter who mixes things up. He lost the same way against Rory Mac in the past, but we treated him differently as a champion. He faced killers, but the matchups were favorable since he only usually had to worry about 1 dimension or so.

Max Holloway has grown leaps and bounds, I'm not taking that away from him. But he has had favorable matchups in the sense that the problems that have caused him to lose in the past have not been present in the streak of fighters he has beat. This is not to say that his fights have been easy. I'd say Aldo is a more favorable matchup for Conor than Edgar, but that doesn't mean Aldo is in anyway an easy fight.

Conor, Dennis (although that win is meh), and Dustin all mixed it up. Conor struck with Holloway and took him down because of the fact that Holloway tends to commit a lot into his punches.

Aldo isn't the kind of guy to shoot heavy on takedowns. Ortega's takedowns are nothing too great and he prefers to use clinch work. Pettis's takedowns are not good. Jeremy Stephens prefers to strike. Lamas is the closest thing but I wouldn't really consider him that great of a benchmark.

People are misinterpreting my title as saying Max Holloway had it easy which is not what I am saying. I am saying that his streak is not necessarily a guarantee that he has patched the holes in the game. Whether he was 18 or 5 years old, there are certain avenues you must train for and some people always have an issue thats inherent in their style and we don't know till we see evidence. Conor lost his first few fights by submissions and ground work has still been his major downfall to the end. Barboza has had issues with pressure fighters, and still does. The fact that Dustin is the underdog in this fight is confusing considering he did implement a good mix of takedowns and strikes against Holloway, like Conor. He will likely do it again.
 
He was matched up against Khabib as a replacement, It didn’t happen, but it wasn’t favorable match making.
 
But it's not. We have just seen Tyron Woodley lose a dominant decision to someone who is a well rounded fighter who mixes things up. He lost the same way against Rory Mac in the past, but we treated him differently as a champion. He faced killers, but the matchups were favorable since he only usually had to worry about 1 dimension or so.

Max Holloway has grown leaps and bounds, I'm not taking that away from him. But he has had favorable matchups in the sense that the problems that have caused him to lose in the past have not been present in the streak of fighters he has beat. This is not to say that his fights have been easy. I'd say Aldo is a more favorable matchup for Conor than Edgar, but that doesn't mean Aldo is in anyway an easy fight.

Conor, Dennis (although that win is meh), and Dustin all mixed it up. Conor struck with Holloway and took him down because of the fact that Holloway tends to commit a lot into his punches.

Aldo isn't the kind of guy to shoot heavy on takedowns. Ortega's takedowns are nothing too great and he prefers to use clinch work. Pettis's takedowns are not good. Jeremy Stephens prefers to strike. Lamas is the closest thing but I wouldn't really consider him that great of a benchmark.

People are misinterpreting my title as saying Max Holloway had it easy which is not what I am saying. I am saying that his streak is not necessarily a guarantee that he has patched the holes in the game. Whether he was 18 or 5 years old, there are certain avenues you must train for and some people always have an issue thats inherent in their style and we don't know till we see evidence. Conor lost his first few fights by submissions and ground work has still been his major downfall to the end. Barboza has had issues with pressure fighters, and still does. The fact that Dustin is the underdog in this fight is confusing considering he did implement a good mix of takedowns and strikes against Holloway, like Conor. He will likely do it again.
Sorry, but you are blatantly wrong. You can't simply change data to suit your narrative.
I don't mean to be mean, but as an example, Woodley lost to a wrestler, not a "well rounded guy".
Usman is an NCAA Division II All-American and a member of the University World Team for freestyle wrestling.

Conor is a striker.
And like I said, he beat Max at a time Max used to coast and not train properly. Watch Max's interviews from that time! He himself said that multiple times.

And as I noted, he was supposed to fight Frankie. The biggest danger for him (style-wise) but he got injured and Ortega replaced him & KTFO Frankie.
That is the only reason he didn't fight him.

So I disagree he had only favourable matchups. he faced everyone put in front of him. Even trying to hint it was an easy path is ridiculous.
UFC does give easy paths to fighters who makes them money (i.,e. Conor and how he jumped the line bypassing all to 10 & only faced one wrestler who had no camp).
So I think it is a huge disfavour to even hint Max got this treatment. He didn't.
he had to earn his title shot and had to fight a lot of folks, FW GOAT included (twice!!).
 
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As much as I’m a fan of Max, he needed to face at least Mendes or Edgar and win to be the 145 goat
 
As a huge fan of Max I've been wanting him to fight Edgar and/or Mendes back when they were killing it at FW. Unfortunately it never happened. At this point at FW the biggest test would be against someone like Volk. Mendes seems to have taken a step backwards and Edgar is not getting any younger. If he sticks at LW then of course a true test will be the champ himself, although a lot more interesting matchups at LW for sure.
 
Figured that TS would find a way to praise conor.
 
He could win 13 more in a row and people would still doubt him. Years later people would say "everybody he fought was a bum, he was lucky to fight when he did because everyone was terrible back then".
 
Not just beat him, whooped his fuckin ass!
lol. was losing both fights until aldo gassed, also imo also a past prime aldo. dustin seems to be really hitting his stride as well. and +225 seems crazy to me
 
Max is a hell of an athlete, but he is very much like Woodley, not in fighting style but fighting success.

Almost all of his wins, although impressive, have been over people who don't really mix it up TDS that much with great striking.

Ortega? Doesn't really have great TDS, good subs and decent boxing, more than anything though a boxer with bjj.

Pettis: Specialist outside fighterr with bjj


I'd say Ricardo Lamas fits the bill best here, but he isn't a world beater.

When he lost against Conor, Dennis and Dustin it was because they mixed up their excellent striking with takedowns. We have yet to see Max really prove he can handle this.
Robbed against Bermudez and max was like 21 against Conor and poirier. Anything else?
 
He bear Swanson Oliviera Stephans Pettis Aldo Aldo Ortega . Idgaf what order he fought them in that's not favourable matchmaking
 
He's fought more wrestlers than Khabib
This is not true at all though.. Wtf. Even if you go by credentials, Trujillo, Shalorus and Healy are all more credentialed than the best wrestler Holloway has fought.
 
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