Media Matt Hughes continues his impressive recovery

[Rataria]

People who cannot see the world beyond black and white

Can't be trusted to analyze human character, morality and depth on any reasonable level. Most people who make comments like this understand little of psychology, or the world for that matter.

Nobody is born a villain. They're a product of their environments. An abusive household leads to the abuse of animals. It's a projection of emotions and trauma that has been buried, without any recourse or resolution.

How do you think a bully is made? Same thing. It's not as if they come out of the womb that way, it's a way to cope with whatever they're carrying with them.

Which doesn't excuse the behavior necessarily, but people don't really consider what led to people acting the way they do and becoming who they are.

Even Jones. All of his issues have been a result of drugs and alcohol. What is leading him to drink, what problems is he burying with substances? Humans are complex, multi faceted creatures and armchair psychologists love to oversimplify everything and speak in absolutes.

You cannot judge people in such a black and white, cherry picking way and expect to understand anything.

Jones has to have been abused as a child. Id say he was successful at overcoming that trauma although his journey is not complete, no ones is in this life

 

[Lee Danger]

People seem very quick to give a "fuck you" to Matt Hughes way more than other fighters of questionable character.

and honestly some things are way out of proportion like when he told how he used to throw pigs' testicles to his friends to mess with them: people immediatly jumped to the conclusion that he was torturing those animals, without realizing that it's how a farm works.

That excuses torturing and killing 12 pigs, what kinda excuse is that.

for example this guy: he don't understand what he is talking about and instead to try to understand he suddently use his own experiences to project on Hughes.

 

[RemyR]

Accusations of sexually assaulting a child is a bit more than "questionable character," though, isn't it?

And it's for that reason that fuck the following comments

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[jeff7b9]

I am speaking for myself. I said I am not a good person. But you have never met Matt Hughes and neither have I. Maybe he is a huge piece of poop. Life is funny brother. But you post mean words brother. About someone you have never met.

Matt PUBLISHED that information.

He wanted the world to know that and accepted money in return for sharing those stories.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Matt PUBLISHED that information.

He wanted the world to know that and accepted money in return for sharing those stories.

Some people seem to allow the holier-than-thou approach of born-agains who never  actually show remorse for the things they've done, except up to the point of going "Whoo boy, see all the crazy stuff I used to get up to before I found Jesus?" as if that's some kind of accountability

 

[jeff7b9]

getting hit by a train, and dying. amazing how many shitty people become so much better in the obituaries.

I have yet to encounter an obituary that read:

"Joe Schmoe died the other day. He was a real dick to everyone and nobody liked him."


Everyone is apparently a Saint in death.

 

[jeff7b9]

Some people seem to allow the holier than thou approach of born-agains who never  actually show remorse for the things they've done, except up to the point of "Whoo boy, see all the crazy stuff I used to get up to before I found Jesus?" as if that's some kind of accountability

Why does anyone need the threat of punishment from the invisible man in the sky to not be a dickhead in the first place? Personally I feel like there is a de facto insincerity to this line of thinking. Be a good person just because that is the right thing to do.



If that HELPS someone better themselves, then great, that's wonderful... but

It doesn't change what you already did, or your accountability for those actions. It's not like you can go to court for a murder and be like "yeah its cool your honor, I have found Jesus since then and confessed so now it is all good."


And like you said, (I skimmed Matt's book in a Barnes and Noble a long time ago, so going off a fairly distant memory) I don't recall a significant amount of remorse being expressed for these things. Wouldn't the "good Christian thing to do" be to show remorse if not show remorse AND make amends?

 

[dethmanrulz]

Agreed, getting hit by a train doesn't erase someone's past as a horrible person.

While his recovery and resilience are impressive, this is the truth. Getting hit by a train isn't an achievement.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Why does anyone need the threat of punishment from the invisible man in the sky to not be a dickhead in the first place? Personally I feel like there is a de facto insincerity to this line of thinking. Be a good person just because that is the right thing to do.



If that HELPS someone better themselves, then great, that's wonderful... but

It doesn't change what you already did, or your accountability for those actions. It's not like you can go to court for a murder and be like "yeah its cool your honor, I have found Jesus since then and confessed so now it is all good."


And like you said, (I skimmed Matt's book in a Barnes and Noble a long time ago, so going off a fairly distant memory) I don't recall a significant amount of remorse being expressed for these things. Wouldn't the "good Christian thing to do" be to show remorse if not show remorse AND make amends?

Guess it feels nice to give ourselves a pat on the back and go by that old philosophy that it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, especially when it's permission from other people vs forgiveness from an imaginary friend.

To be fair, it's hard to remember much with how shitty it was written. Just pages and pages of dialogue at times with no introspection or description between any of them. So there's very little room in that story telling method to see how he felt at any time

 

[USA!USA!]

He definitely sounds better. What an improvement.

People still saying "fuck matt hughes" are just being edgy cunts. He wasn't my cup of tea either, but he was hit by a fucking train.. relax. Give the guy a break.

 

[jx820]

I was never a fan, but I'm glad to see he's recovering well and still able to do some meaningful work.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

People who cannot see the world beyond black and white

Can't be trusted to analyze human character, morality and depth on any reasonable level. Most people who make comments like this understand little of psychology, or the world for that matter.

Nobody is born a villain. They're a product of their environments. An abusive household leads to the abuse of animals. It's a projection of emotions and trauma that has been buried, without any recourse or resolution.

How do you think a bully is made? Same thing. It's not as if they come out of the womb that way, it's a way to cope with whatever they're carrying with them.

Which doesn't excuse the behavior necessarily, but people don't really consider what led to people acting the way they do and becoming who they are.

Even Jones. All of his issues have been a result of drugs and alcohol. What is leading him to drink, what problems is he burying with substances? Humans are complex, multi faceted creatures and armchair psychologists love to oversimplify everything and speak in absolutes.

You cannot judge people in such a black and white, cherry picking way and expect to understand anything.

Blah Blah Blah, dawg I know psychology. I had people kill themselves in my family, watched silly little boys become drugdealers that act nationwide. Everybody is a product of their surroundings but even then if you sexually assault minors and fucking torture and kill animals for fun then that is on you 100%.

What kinda copeout is that? He did but his childhood was bad so cut him some slack.
You claim to not see the world in white and black but when you judge me and others in this thread it is exactly what you do. See the world in black and white, did you maybe stop and think for a second that the person you are talking to has experience in mental illness familywise?

Get a grip buddy.

 

[jsbx45]

Agreed, getting hit by a train doesn't erase someone's past as a horrible person.

What did Matt do to make him such a horrible person. Seriously curious. It seems like the conventional wisdom around here is that Matt is some sort of monster. What did he do?

 

[GrantB13]

Accusations of sexually assaulting a child is a bit more than "questionable character," though, isn't it?

And it's for that reason that fuck the following comments

If that's the case yeah. I'm not are of the whole story I suppose.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

If that's the case yeah. I'm not are of the whole story I suppose.

I don't think we'll ever be, cuz it's anecdotal at this point and it's not like it's something that is pending in our court system where we can go "Let's wait and see what happens" and that's why I proceed with a bit more preceptual caution here than I could for something we could that is treated in some formal manner

Call it social justice-y maybe, but there's something really creepy about his nonplussed reaction about a 13-14 year old that he calls multiple times "family" and "his little sister" (that he ends up marrying) laying in his lap, recounting how his twin (they were college age) laid on her and made out with her and how it made her really uncomfortable. His immediate reaction is joking that if she didn't like his twin's face, then she must not like his face either too. That and a part about teasing her about knowing she has a crush on him and trying to get her to give him a massage. It just all reeks a bit

 

[Deleted member 513083]

Some people seem to allow the holier-than-thou approach of born-agains who never  actually show remorse for the things they've done, except up to the point of going "Whoo boy, see all the crazy stuff I used to get up to before I found Jesus?" as if that's some kind of accountability

This soooo much, if someone actually changes and makes an effort to apologize properly to the people they hurt, I am all on board.

Usually like you said tho it is more of an damn I used to be a dick, but that is in the past now right?
I mean it does not effect me anymore so who cares, meanwhile god knows what the people they fucked with are dealing with. Even more ridiculous are the people who are usually, take accountability and call other people animals if they do some fucked up shit but if it someone they can relate to or like those things just disappear in hot air.
I had conversations like that often with people and usually those people have nothing to say, because they know deep down they fucked up. But their pride, entitlement or whatever does not allow them to see it that way.

 

[Bob Gray]

That excuses torturing and killing 12 pigs, what kinda excuse is that. I grew up in a place with addicts, crooks and assholes. Does not excuse me fucking with some dimwit and robbing him off his shit.

Just some college kids who did fucked up shit and were fucking disgusting human beings. They are not better than Jon, not even a tiny bit no matter how much you gonna disagree. Him and Jon are both fucking POS who larp as being saved by god to not face all the shit they did to other people. With all the things he wrote in his book I don't want to know what else he did he didn't talk about.

Again, you didn't read the book and you're just going by some internet breakdown thats completely biased and inaccurate. Growing up on a farm, you'll put down animals all the time. You'll castrate animals regularly. It's a regular part of farm life, but like most every topic from his book, the internet has taken pieces of it and drawn the most hyperbolic picture they can.

 

[Bob Gray]

Matt PUBLISHED that information.

He wanted the world to know that and accepted money in return for sharing those stories.

He probably didn't, because as I keep saying, none of the people criticizing him actually read the book. They just go by the breakdowns from sherdog or reddit or some crap. It's almost completely inaccurate but people who haven't read the book would never know.

 

[HHJ]

The book definitley shows Matt isnt always the most self aware person, and hes kind of a weirdo in alot of aspects.

He def does not deserve the seething hatred these miserable fucks are spewing in every thread about him though.

 

[Leviticus]

It still blows my mind that Hughes was hit by a train. New fans looking back at old videos will be like "wow what a difference", but to grow up watching him in realtime and then seeing him now still is insane to me.

Not a fan of the guy, but to say his recovery isn't inspiring would be a lie. I do worry about his future though, brain damage like that can lead to serious rage and depression issues.

Yeah now he is like Marty McFly tbh is very sad to see.