You said producing saints like Jesus taught - which he didnt. I would disagree that Jesus elevated disciples over each other, but that is your Catholic upbringing. Regardless he named none as saints to be venerated.
You don't seem to understand that the idea of declaring sainthood started almost 1000 years after Christ.
Also in the manner we're discussing it isn't about an enlightened union with God, but rather about the Cathoic church exalting these humans into something more than pious Christians - ie they pray to and in the name of saints.
I didn't say you can only do what's in NT, but you are acting like this has always been a Christian doctrine and it hasn't.
Maybe you should give it a rest because you come across as either arrogantly wrong and or else ignorant of the topic that you broached - which I still don't understand how this came up in about Gaetz.
You mean to say he didn't use the word saint ever, but what you don't understand is that it's irrelevant because the disciples did and their disciples did and their disciples did all the way down to today in an unbroken chain.
According to your line of thinking, no scripture is useful unless it's only jesus's own words and that is a ridiculous statement.
You came into this discussion quoting me, which means you don't get to redefine the manner we're discussing it, specifically
I AM discussing actual sainthood and the passing on of that enlightenment from generation to generation by the Christian church.... YOU entered into that context
You have to understand how catholic's use the word prayer. Prayer can mean speaking to any spiritual being in the body of Christ. Prayer does not require worship. It is just a form of communication with the living members of the body of Christ who have passed from this Earth.
Once you understand that prayer can include worship but can also not include worship than your position on praying to the saints will be remedied.
Prayer is communication with the living and Christians have relationships with the living as is testified by scripture itself and the experience of the body of Christ throughout the ages.
You're being quite rude here. There's no need for that, but you're kind of claiming to have refuted my positions, but in fact you haven't refuted a single one.
You just simply don't know what you're talking about.