Rumored Massive payouts to celeb investors while fighters make peanuts

[Goodfella86]

I've been brainwashed?
Nah fam, I literally trade stocks for a living you idiot and very clearly described what a dividend is and isn't.
You tried to talk big like you know shit by going "buh buh, dividends exist other places!" after I factualkly explained this was a random non-obligatory payout to investors.

If you wanna call me a child I'd gladly pay for your lunch and show you my trading portfolio; child.
I just happen to give a shit about fighters and don't waste my free time licking billionaire boot, which apparently is fun for you?
I'll never in this lifetime understand why any randomn schmo who bothers watching MMA and logging onto Sherdog would ever waste their breath defending the case for why fat old men in suits deserve something more than the fighters.

Again, you reveal yourself to be a petty little socialist. "Fat, old men on suits" DO deserve more than fighters. Some of them, anyway. You really have been brainwashed. Get it in your head that Rich people worked more 14 hour days than you could ever fathom; it'll help you accept the reality of things. And even if they didn't- even if they inherited billions from their fat, older daddies- it's still ABSOLUTELY FAIR. On the off-chance I make a fortune- like you with your portfolio lol- I don't want some bitchy failure to start screaming when I leave it all to my spoiled kids.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Totally agree; it's called Stockholm syndrome and/or "I open chain emails from aunt pattie about king donnie".

I think a lot of it is a lot of fighters think they're going to be a champion and a huge star and making huge money so don't worry too much about increasing money across the board.

 

[San Griente]

The people revolt?? This is Murrca you are talking about. This country is by design an accomodation for the private sector. Nobody is going to revolt in the USA because they are poor. Never.

Waiting for The People to rise up is like waiting for The Messiah.

People don’t rise up, even when they are immiserated unto starvation. Poor people join the rebels for the same reason they join the army; they get paid or pressed into service. Who pays or presses them? The same people who run the army.

 

[kflo]

Totally agree; it's called Stockholm syndrome and/or "I open chain emails from aunt pattie about king donnie".

Reality is a union could actually make things much worse.

 

[brackis1]

Reality is a union could actually make things much worse.

Amazing argument dude; I'll put a gold star on your chart for effort.

 

[brackis1]

I think a lot of it is a lot of fighters think they're going to be a champion and a huge star and making huge money so don't worry too much about increasing money across the board.

Which is exactly why poor people in America almost always vote against their best interest; they think they're a rich-person-in-training and any adjustment to the system will rob them of their chance to become one of the select few who rise up the pyramid into the realm of disproportionate wealth.

 

[marksmen]

Cowboy must have got PPV money... if not, then that's on him for not getting a better contract done. These guys sign the contracts. They need better managers or need to be smarter.

 

[kflo]

I've been brainwashed?
Nah fam, I literally trade stocks for a living you idiot and very clearly described what a dividend is and isn't.
You tried to talk big like you know shit by going "buh buh, dividends exist other places!" after I factualkly explained this was a random non-obligatory payout to investors.

If you wanna call me a child I'd gladly pay for your lunch and show you my trading portfolio; child.
I just happen to give a shit about fighters and don't waste my free time licking billionaire boot, which apparently is fun for you?
I'll never in this lifetime understand why any randomn schmo who bothers watching MMA and logging onto Sherdog would ever waste their breath defending the case for why fat old men in suits deserve something more than the fighters.

What does deserve even mean in this context?

 

[kflo]

Amazing argument dude; I'll put a gold star on your chart for effort.

What brilliant argument have you made that explains the pros and cons of union in this thread?

 

[kflo]

Cowboy must have got PPV money... if not, then that's on him for not getting a better contract done. These guys sign the contracts. They need better managers or need to be smarter.

The article quotes his manager saying he got multiples more than 200k.

 

[brackis1]

What does deserve even mean in this context?

Great question bro; funny how who frame that around "why would a fighter deserve money" and not "why would a random investor whose stake in a country has grown, deserve a random payout as well for doing nothing but benefit from the company's growth?"

 

[brackis1]

What brilliant argument have you made that explains the pros and cons of union in this thread?

Yeah jeeze, I clearly forgot to mention the part where it increases the ability of fighters to live decent lives and train. Apologies, I clearly haven't said much yet to suggest that is the point

 

[kflo]

Yeah jeeze, I clearly forgot to mention the part where it increases the ability of fighters to live decent lives and train. Apologies, I clearly haven't said much yet to suggest that is the point

Yeah, if they get more money and benefits as a result. Which of course isn’t a guaranteed outcome. It could be the opposite. They could end up with a smaller roster, fewer shows. But whatever, believe it’s all a one way win.

 

[Kowboy Karl]

Which is exactly why poor people in America almost always vote against their best interest; they think they're a rich-person-in-training and any adjustment to the system will rob them of their chance to become one of the select few who rise up the pyramid into the realm of disproportionate wealth.

sounds like you got it all figured out

classic case of wokeness

 

[brackis1]

Yeah, if they get more money and benefits as a result. Which of course isn’t a guaranteed outcome. It could be the opposite. They could end up with a smaller roster, fewer shows. But whatever, believe it’s all a one way win.

You've laid out literally no argument for why that would happen, just some doomsday fantasy. meanwhile I'm in a thread which 100% shows that the UFC has the cash position to give out $300,000,000 (more than all UFC fighters are paid combined) for a single random dispersal.
So yeah, I'd love to hear how paying each fighter more so they're incentivized to be elite athletes will kill the sport and cause a revenue-generating company to magically decide they want to not tour the world selling fights lol.

 

[neomage2021]

This was discussed weeks ago when the news came out. It's not investors specifically for the UFC. It's investors in WME. WME is using the UFC profits to prop up the rest of their company and pay out investors they owed money. Most of these investors have absolutely nothing to do with the UFC

 

[kflo]

Great question bro; funny how who frame that around "why would a fighter deserve money" and not "why would a random investor whose stake in a country has grown, deserve a random payout as well for doing nothing but benefit from the company's growth?"

Again, that’s not answering the question. Teachers “deserve” more than beaurocrats. It’s a meaningless statement.

 

[Histalian]

So much about the "red panty night"... You gotta be smarter than that, Cowboy. If it's not in the contract, you won't get it. Sometimes even if it's written down it's not a guarantee. You gotta be more savvy than that, you are a fucking UFC veteran.

But we have to agree that most of the fighers don't have what it takes to negotiate and are not talented in the business side of fighting. That's why if you suck at deals yourself, you wanna Ali Abdelaziz as your manager or somebody like him.

Cowgirl got that brown panty night

 

[kflo]

You've laid out literally no argument for why that would happen, just some doomsday fantasy. meanwhile I'm in a thread which 100% shows that the UFC has the cash position to give out $300,000,000 (more than all UFC fighters are paid combined) for a single random dispersal.
So yeah, I'd love to hear how paying each fighter more so they're incentivized to be elite athletes will kill the sport and cause a revenue-generating company to magically decide they want to not tour the world selling fights lol.

A revenue generating company? Lol. Is that all investors need? Revenue?

And wow, the company had cash available for distribution. They totally should just give it to the workers. That is usually what happens......

And yeah, payroll and expenses have no impact on investment into the business.....

 

[brackis1]

Again, that’s not answering the question. Teachers “deserve” more than beaurocrats. It’s a meaningless statement.

The average teacher doesn't necessarily deserve more than a well-serving public official, depending on the scale of each of their jobs, and you reducing any of these situations down to "well let me just mutter some tangential platitude and shrug my shoulders" doesn't make the reality any less true.
These aren't completely obtuse concepts and a basic set of labor negotiations, something done all around the world, is a very realistic thing to discuss.