Elections Mass Deportation: What would it look like and the effect it would have?

Trump's campaign as pretty much solely been on immigration and how he will be doing mass deportations if he becomes president. What I don't get is why no one is pressing him on how exactly this would happen and what it would look like. Off the top of my head I can think of two times where Trump or Vance were directly asked what it would look like and the logistics behind it, they danced around the question and didn't answer it.

I think the number Trump likes to claim is 20+ million illegal immigrants have come into the country recently. So how exactly would this work?
  • Where are they going to put all these people? Our prisons and jails don't have that kind of room. Are they going to be building concentration camps around the country?
  • Who is going to be rounding all these people up? Are local law enforcement going to be used, do they even have the man power to do that? If not, is the military going to be used?
  • Who gets to decide who gets arrested and put into a camp pending deportation? What happens to their children that are natural born US citizens?
  • Who pays for this kind of operation? The tax payers? Wouldn't the cost of something like this be massive, likely exceeding the tax burden these people supposedly cause the country?
  • And finally, what happens to the businesses relying to the labor these people are providing? Are all these construction companies and farmers that utilize immigrants the most going to grind to a halt?
I personally think Trump has no intention of actually going this, and it's purely to campaign on. If he wins I think they will do some small deportation initiative of people that were likely already in the system/prisons scheduled for deportation and proclaim it as a victory. Or any plans will get shot down in congress and he will proclaim that he is being held back.

All very good questions. I don’t think they know or have a plan. I think it is pandering to get votes. Another problem is where the fuck do you send them and how much will that cost? To send them back to their country of origin would be very expensive and people will lie to not go back to some shithole. Maybe drop them all in Mexico because that’s where they came in. If Mexico doesn’t want to help with our border situation, then they can have them? I don’t have any solutions. I think it would be smarter in the long run to naturalize them-at least the non criminals. As for the criminals-the ones that get arrested here, those ones we should get rid of.
 
All very good questions. I don’t think they know or have a plan. I think it is pandering to get votes. Another problem is where the fuck do you send them and how much will that cost? To send them back to their country of origin would be very expensive and people will lie to not go back to some shithole. Maybe drop them all in Mexico because that’s where they came in. If Mexico doesn’t want to help with our border situation, then they can have them? I don’t have any solutions. I think it would be smarter in the long run to naturalize them-at least the non criminals. As for the criminals-the ones that get arrested here, those ones we should get rid of.

That's a little something called amnesty. It was already done once, 40 years ago, by the ultimate Republican idol, Ronald Reagan. It only accepted non-criminals, made them pay a fine, had several other conditions and was tremendously successful.

The crazy thing is that amnesty today is a far-left position. Mainstream liberals don't really bring it up and conservatives have a brain aneurysm at the thought of it.

But when you actually think it through, it really is the smartest option.
 
It would be the dumbest thing anyone could do lol

It would collapse the economy overnight if a bill passed even remotely suggesting this
 
That's a little something called amnesty. It was already done once, 40 years ago, by the ultimate Republican idol, Ronald Reagan. It only accepted non-criminals, made them pay a fine, had several other conditions and was tremendously successful.

The crazy thing is that amnesty today is a far-left position. Mainstream liberals don't really bring it up and conservatives have a brain aneurysm at the thought of it.

But when you actually think it through, it really is the smartest option.

Clearly, we can’t deport them all and some of them are deeply problematic breaking the laws left and right. NYC has a serious crime problem with some of the illegals. It cost money to lock them up and money to send them back to wherever the hell they came from. But then you have millions more to deal with as well all sucking up tons of resources. I don’t know the answer and I am sure that the politicians don’t either because rather than do what’s best for the country takes a backseat to how to keep it attract voters
 

Trump’s mass deportation plan would be ‘economic disaster’ for US​

Loss of migrant workers would trigger productivity losses and a new round of inflationary pricing pressure

Edward Helmore

If elected, Donald Trump plans to carry out “the largest deportation operation in American history”. After pushback on Joe Biden’s border policies, Kamala Harris has embraced border restrictions and the need to maintain limits on asylum seekers. But neither candidate captures the realities of US immigration.

US consumers are accustomed to cheap goods and services, and the economic rationale for large-scale immigration has been largely avoided. In a country that relies on a mobile, low-cost workforce, the loss of migrant workers would trigger productivity losses and a new round of inflationary pricing pressure.

“It would be an economic disaster for America and Americans,” says Zeke Hernandez, an economics professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, of Trump’s deportations threat. “It’s not just the immigrants would be harmed, but we, the people of America, would be economically harmed.”

Baby boomers are retiring, and with fewer immigrants, the workforce will struggle to sustain economic output: US employers will need to hire 240,000 people a month for the next five years just to replace those who are stepping out, according to one recent study.

Hernandez, author of a recent book, The Truth About Immigration, argues that immigrants contribute talent, investment, innovation, consumption and tax revenue. “If you lose those things, there are fewer jobs, the economy contracts and becomes less diversified.”

Of the undocumented migrants, between 8 and 9 million are in the workforce doing essential jobs that Americans disproportionately don’t want to do or work in sectors where there aren’t enough workers.

Typically, that’s farm work (one third of the labor force), construction work (about one quarter) and about half of the labor force in skilled work like drywalling, plumbing and insulation.

“Undocumented immigrants make up a huge proportion of household services, manufacturing work, kitchen staff in restaurants. Americans simply do not do those jobs, or there are not enough to go around. But if you lose those key ‘bottleneck’ workers, the native workforce also can’t do their jobs,” says Hernandez.

A study by the Center for Migration Studies estimates undocumented workers contribute $97bn in federal, state and local taxes, their removal from the workforce would have a substantial impact on local economies, including pushing nearly 10 million US citizens into economic hardship.


Families would also be profoundly impacted. About 5.8m US households are home to at least one undocumented resident and mass deportations would break up nearly 5m US families. The cost of bringing up US-born children whose caregivers are removed has been put at $116bn.

Taxpayers would have to foot the bill. Apprehending and deporting just 1 million of an estimated 11 million-12 million undocumented migrants in the US could cost taxpayers about $20bn, or $19,599 per person, according to a CBS News analysis of federal data – and take far longer than the term of a four-year Trump administration.

Business leaders have been fairly quiet on Trump’s plans – possibly fearing retribution – but some lobby groups have begun to tally the costs of mass deportation. The construction sector employs an estimated 1.5 million undocumented workers, or 13% of its total workforce – a larger share than any other, according to data the Pew Research Center.

Construction firms, already facing labor shortages, are warning that the loss of immigrant workers would push new home prices higher. The National Association of Home Builders considers foreign-born workers, regardless of legal status, “a vital and flexible source of labor”.

The CEO of the NAHB, Jim Tobin, told NBC that their loss would be “detrimental to the construction industry and our labor supply and exacerbate our housing affordability problems”.

The Business Roundtable notes that “immigrants have always been a key part of America’s innovative spirit. A vast majority of economists and business leaders agree that immigration is a net positive for the US economy” but says “the system for welcoming these highly valuable workers is broken”.

A 2023 study of previous efforts at mass deportation, such as President Barack Obama’s Secure Communities program from 2008 to 2014 that resulted in the deportation of almost half a million people, found that any benefits from reduced job competition that US-born workers face were counteracted by a decline in labor demand due to an increase in labor costs.

“Police-based enforcement policies aimed at reducing the number of undocumented immigrants should consider the potential negative spillover effects on the labor market outcomes of immigrants who remain in the US and on US-born workers,” a University of Denver study concluded.

The same effect was seen during the Trump and Biden administrations when the Covid pandemic caused about a million fewer immigrants to enter the US leading to labor shortages and reduced output, and contributing to inflationary pressure.

The post-pandemic spike in immigration contributed to inflation coming down, according to Hernandez. “Immigration allowed business to hire again and raise output to what the market demands, so prices normalized,” he says.

Nevertheless opponents of immigration have been “very effective at flooding the zone with false or dubious claims”, said Hernandez.

Biden’s policies, which Harris is now walking back, have created complications for the Latino communities in the US, resulting in declining support for Democrats and a frantic late-campaign effort to shore up their votes. In 2012, Latino support for Obama was at 71%. Eight years later Biden won 62%. A recent Times/Siena poll found Harris with 56%.

According to Ana Valdez, president and CEO of the Latino Donor Collaborative, says the negative myths around Latino immigration are just “pure rhetoric … Trump knows that most of the workforce the US needs to continue growing comes from Latinos.”

Valdez cites labor department statistics that show Latino workers in the labor force have grown from 10.7 million in 1990 to 29 million in 2020, and are projected to reach 36 million in 2030. In 2030, the Bureau of Labor Statistics projects they will account for one out of every five workers in the labor force, at 21.2%, or or 78% of net new workers by 2030.

Without those immigrant workers, the change in the standard of living for the middle class would be much more dramatic, Valdez says. “The reason we have avocados or chicken to choose from every day is because of immigration.”
Valdez, who worked in the Clinton administration, cites figure that show US Latinos generate $3.6tn in GDP and says the political discourse around the issue by both parties has equated all Latinos to undocumented immigrants and does not reflect the economic, data-backed reality.

“If Trump and Harris want to win the Latino vote, and if the winner wants to keep our support once they’re in office, they need to change their perspective and messaging to Latinos and recognize the full scope of our economic contributions,” she says. “Not doing so is reckless for their campaigns and the US economy.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/trump-deportation-plan-economic-disaster
 
They will use dragnets to detain anyone who looks like an immigrant to authorities. Those people will be housed in camps while funding is sought to transport them out of the country. They will appear by the hundreds to judges who convict them all at the same time. Trump will find it impossible to get funding to transport them, so they will be killed and buried in mass graves. Conservative media will deny it is happening until it is half done, then switch to expanding the death penalty for lesser crimes while explaining that overstaying a visa is a crime. Many migrants will flee the USA in their own, but we will kill millions of them.

Even the compassionate left has been engaging in genocide for the last year. The right will do worse. People act like I am exaggerating but disposing of people is our culture.
 
Trump's campaign as pretty much solely been on immigration and how he will be doing mass deportations if he becomes president. What I don't get is why no one is pressing him on how exactly this would happen and what it would look like. Off the top of my head I can think of two times where Trump or Vance were directly asked what it would look like and the logistics behind it, they danced around the question and didn't answer it.

I think the number Trump likes to claim is 20+ million illegal immigrants have come into the country recently. So how exactly would this work?
  • Where are they going to put all these people? Our prisons and jails don't have that kind of room. Are they going to be building concentration camps around the country?
  • Who is going to be rounding all these people up? Are local law enforcement going to be used, do they even have the man power to do that? If not, is the military going to be used?
  • Who gets to decide who gets arrested and put into a camp pending deportation? What happens to their children that are natural born US citizens?
  • Who pays for this kind of operation? The tax payers? Wouldn't the cost of something like this be massive, likely exceeding the tax burden these people supposedly cause the country?
  • And finally, what happens to the businesses relying to the labor these people are providing? Are all these construction companies and farmers that utilize immigrants the most going to grind to a halt?
I personally think Trump has no intention of actually going this, and it's purely to campaign on. If he wins I think they will do some small deportation initiative of people that were likely already in the system/prisons scheduled for deportation and proclaim it as a victory. Or any plans will get shot down in congress and he will proclaim that he is being held back.
The answer is they have no fucking idea and it's not going to happen. The labour shortage alone would be disastrous for the economy. Of course, those two shit wads don't give a shit about the travails of the average person but I think they will keep this as an issue to complain about without actually doing anything, same as they are now.
 
“It would be an economic disaster for America and Americans,” says Zeke Hernandez, an economics professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, of Trump’s deportations threat. “It’s not just the immigrants would be harmed, but we, the people of America, would be economically harmed.”

Baby boomers are retiring, and with fewer immigrants, the workforce will struggle to sustain economic output: US employers will need to hire 240,000 people a month for the next five years just to replace those who are stepping out, according to one recent study.

Just speculation but maybe the idea for Repubs and those who are corporate boot lickers is to mass deport and then subsequently make a deep cut to Social Security so Boomers and very old Gen X people are forced to go back into the workplace. It's a stupid idea but it serves 2 purposes. 1. It allows Repubs to cut Social Security which they have wanted to do for years now and 2. It provides corps with cheap labor seeing as how Boomers will likely be out of the workforce for a long time which means there is a chance they would be less skilled preventing them from getting higher wages.
 
Republicans: immigrants are stealing our jobs

Also Republicans: Immigrants are lazy and jobless people on welfare

When you allow 20 million to come in within just a few years you could easily have a couple of million in each category.

But I guess elementary school logic is too difficult for you TDS folks to grasp.
 
The US has 1.8 million people locked up. I’m sure we’ll be able to find, charge, convict, hold, feed, process and transport 10x that number no problem.
 
When you allow 20 million to come in within just a few years you could easily have a couple of million in each category.

But I guess elementary school logic is too difficult for you TDS folks to grasp.

So what do you think is going to happen if the Trump administration tries to deport 20 million people? Lmao

Do you think that's going to be of financial benefit to the United States? Do you think that's going to unite people as a country? Do you think these people are just going to roll over?

How does Trump plan to do this? Is he going to be picking them up in his garbage truck? Flying them out? Bussing them out? Concentration camps?

Tell us all about Donald's plan. Inform us wise one.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't even know what Orange Mussolini's plan is for this.
 
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But removing employment opportunities and taxing remittances isn't deporting them. It's making life miserable for them in the hopes that they'll leave on their own.

And that's the easiest way to do it, mandatory E-verify and you solve most issues.

But no president is ever going to do it because it would send the country into a recession.
 
Clearly, we can’t deport them all and some of them are deeply problematic breaking the laws left and right. NYC has a serious crime problem with some of the illegals. It cost money to lock them up and money to send them back to wherever the hell they came from. But then you have millions more to deal with as well all sucking up tons of resources. I don’t know the answer and I am sure that the politicians don’t either because rather than do what’s best for the country takes a backseat to how to keep it attract voters

The NYC situation is extremely singular though. It has to do with Venezuela being in a uniquely shitty, once-in-a-century condition. Something like 20% of their population has fled the country so it's creating all sorts of issues not just in New York but in other countries in Latin America. Colombia and Peru also have to deal with Venezuelan migrant crime. And they suffer even more because they're much smaller and poorer than the US.

So the Venezuelan crime problem will eventually fade away. The overall undocumented problem can be largely solved with amnesty. But that's politically impossible because Republicans are completely opposed.
 
And that's the easiest way to do it, mandatory E-verify and you solve most issues.

But no president is ever going to do it because it would send the country into a recession.

Yeah, and there have already been efforts similar to this. A lot of hotels have been requiring some sort of legal ID for employment for years now.

But an underground economy will always exist and cheap labor will always be in need, especially in the richest, most capitalist country in the world. Strict enforcement would be a financial loss to the country.
 
So what do you think is going to happen if the Trump administration tries to deport 20 million people? Lmao

Do you think that's going to be of financial benefit to the United States? Do you think that's going to unite people as a country? Do you think these people are just going to roll over?

How does Trump plan to do this? Is he going to be picking them up in his garbage truck? Flying them out? Bussing them out? Concentration camps?

Tell us all about Donald's plan. Inform us wise one.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't even know what Orange Mussolini's plan is for this.

Just watching the responses my question is let's say Repubs get what they want and there is a mass deportation. What is the plan to fill those jobs that were once being done by said immigrant? Logic would dictate you would hire legal citizens to do the job but we have already seen this story during the first Trump administration, right?

Hiring legal citizens would mean corps would have to follow labor laws (which is a good thing) but we all know corps don't want to do that or pay proper wages. In the 2010's if I remember correctly wasn't there a situation where the really hard labor jobs (such as farming) had trouble getting immigrants so food went to waste? Some states required prisoners to do it but I don't think that lasted very long at all.
 
I think it’s unrealistic personally. I think one thing you can do though is immediate deportation for anyone caught committing a crime that isn’t a citizen.

You’d have to work with the host country to return them.

I’d be vehemently opposed to door to door raids looking for illegals though.
 
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