Law Masked ICE Agents detain PhD student at Tufts in broad daylight…

[oldshadow]

Let's see you are a guest in someone's home and you insult them and their friends and they kick you out but you think it's there fault.

 

[Siver!]

Let's see you are a guest in someone's home and you insult them and their friends and they kick you out but you think it's there fault.

I'm gonna guess we're now totally assuming this individual said "DEATH TO AMERICA" as well as whatever blatant support they supposedly threw behind Hamas?

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, I don't see any reason for not shaming this person with the evidence though. We live in the social media age, let's see it.

 

[filthybliss]

There are tens of thousands of people who have been protesting the war and supporting Palestine.

Yet only a few are getting visits like this. It's obvious they're not taking your average uni student who attended a protest between classes, or camped in a tent on the lawn for a week.

These are hamas sympathisers who hold ill will towards America.

In the words of Rammstein, goodbye, adieu auf wiedersehn.

Lol, everyone is just making assumptions without any evidence. It is illegal to detain people like this. For all of the huffing and puffing that you do about "communism", yall wouldn't be bright enough to pick up on Mao's gimmick if he gave some lip service to reactionary anti-woke stuff.

 

[oldshadow]

I'm gonna guess we're now totally assuming this individual said "DEATH TO AMERICA" as well as whatever blatant support they supposedly threw behind Hamas?

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, I don't see any reason for not shaming this person with the evidence though. We live in the social media age, let's see it.

I agree with that. They should have evidence of her actions for deportation. No criminal charges just the evidence shown to the proper authorities and if true out they go.

 

[filthybliss]

Let's see you are a guest in someone's home and you insult them and their friends and they kick you out but you think it's there fault.

This is a retarded analogy. We live in America not Israel. Shit-talking some country in the Middle East dragging us into wars with terrorist groups that they helped uplift is ridiculous to punish someone for.

 

[oldshadow]

This is a retarded analogy. We live in America not Israel. Shit-talking some country in the Middle East dragging us into wars with terrorist groups that they helped uplift is rubbish.

If you are a guest in this country you behave or out you go. You can legally be kicked out for shit like that.

 

[MrShady]

If you are a guest in this country you behave or out you go. You can legally be kicked out for shit like that.

That "behave" part is really important here. Did she simply criticize Israel or did she promote violence or death? Is she a Hamas supporter or a Palestinian supporter?

We need clear evidence before we cheer on people getting snatched up and disappeared. These cheerleaders here are despicable. At least wait to have factual proof that she did something fucked up other than protesting by writing an op-ed.

 

[Anewt]

Do you think the law is being applied in a content neutral manner by the regime? Or is it fair to assume they're targeting those with certain viewpoints?

Of course its not. Of course its targeting one side... One side is usas closest allies and the other is deemed a terrorist organisation.

They clearly are targeting those who are pro palestinian. The real qurlestion is are they pro hamas or not. Which is where questions should be answered because it hinges on that.

Hamas is considered a terrorist group. Israel isnt . The laws for supporting a terrorist group is vastly different than a goverment.

Membership and expressing support for Hamas is an illegal act in the UK, punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Dozens of countries, including the United Kingdom and United States, as well as the European Union, have designated it a terrorist group.13 Dec 2023

Like i said.. i only wish i had the power to kick certain people out of my country lol

 

[filthybliss]

That "behave" part is really important here. Did she simply criticize Israel or did she promote violence or death? Is she a Hamas supporter or a Palestinian supporter?

We need clear evidence before we cheer on people getting snatched up and disappeared. These cheerleaders here are despicable. At least wait to have factual proof that she did something fucked up other than protesting by writing an op-ed.

Mao would totally be able to turn America into dictatorship. All he would need to do is speak with a remedial vocabulary and rant about wokeness. That'll be enough to energize the MAGA cult into cosigning everything and anything that you do.

Of course its not. Of course its targeting one side... One side is usas closest allies and the other is deemed a terrorist organisation.

They clearly are targeting those who are pro palestinian. The real qurlestion is are they pro hamas or not. Which is where questions should be answered because it hinges on that.

Hamas is considered a terrorist group. Israel isnt . The laws for supporting a terrorist group is vastly different than a goverment.

Membership and expressing support for Hamas is an illegal act in the UK, punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Dozens of countries, including the United Kingdom and United States, as well as the European Union, have designated it a terrorist group.13 Dec 2023

Like i said.. i only wish i had the power to kick certain people out of my country lol

IIRC I was more Pro-Israel than you and I think this is wrong. This stuff is what happens in communist China not America, we have due process and the burden of proof in this country...

 

[Islam Imamate]

Of course its not. Of course its targeting one side... One side is usas closest allies and the other is deemed a terrorist organisation.

They clearly are targeting those who are pro palestinian.

Don't you see how that's a grave threat to free speech? The government is supposed to apply the law in a content neutral manner and failure to do so shouldn't be tolerated.

This is a retarded analogy. We live in America not Israel. Shit-talking some country in the Middle East dragging us into wars with terrorist groups that they helped uplift is ridiculous to punish someone for.

Right now Zionism is the greatest threat to free speech in the US and its not even close.

 

[avenue94]

Of course its not. Of course its targeting one side... One side is usas closest allies and the other is deemed a terrorist organisation.

They clearly are targeting those who are pro palestinian. The real qurlestion is are they pro hamas or not. Which is where questions should be answered because it hinges on that.

Hamas is considered a terrorist group. Israel isnt . The laws for supporting a terrorist group is vastly different than a goverment.

Membership and expressing support for Hamas is an illegal act in the UK, punishable by up to 14 years in prison. Dozens of countries, including the United Kingdom and United States, as well as the European Union, have designated it a terrorist group.13 Dec 2023

Like i said.. i only wish i had the power to kick certain people out of my country lol

I see you're not familiar with what constitutes free speech vs support for a terror grouo in the US. Perhaps you should brush up before diving into the politics of another country.

 

[Anewt]

I see you're not familiar with what constitutes free speech vs support for a terror grouo in the US. Perhaps you should brush up before diving into the politics of another country.

I see you dont understand that non citizens of usa dont have the same freedom of speech that american citizens have.

 

[avenue94]

I see you dont understand that non citizens of usa dont have the same freedom of speech that american citizens have.

Why don't you explain to me the relevant court case that provides a bright line limit.

It's quite difficult to read the 1A and see substantial limits on speech.

 

[Anewt]

Why don't you explain to me the relevant court case that provides a bright line limit.

It's quite difficult to read the 1A and see substantial limits on speech.

The Supreme Court has said that the First Amendment applies to noncitizens in the United States when it comes to criminal and civil penalties. But those protections don’t necessarily apply to deportations, the court has found. The federal government has nearly absolute power over immigration, including its ability to deport noncitizens; it gets to decide who comes and then stays in this country, potentially at the expense of constitutional rights.

In 1952, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that the government could deport immigrants for Communist Party membership without violating the First Amendment.

More specifically, administration officials cite a 1952 statute that lets the government deport immigrants, even green-card holders, for views that hamper U.S. foreign policy.

 

[avenue94]

The Supreme Court has said that the First Amendment applies to noncitizens in the United States when it comes to criminal and civil penalties. But those protections don’t necessarily apply to deportations, the court has found. The federal government has nearly absolute power over immigration, including its ability to deport noncitizens; it gets to decide who comes and then stays in this country, potentially at the expense of constitutional rights.

In 1952, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that the government could deport immigrants for Communist Party membership without violating the First Amendment.

More specifically, administration officials cite a 1952 statute that lets the government deport immigrants, even green-card holders, for views that hamper U.S. foreign policy.

Which case are you referring to exactly? It sounds like you're just copy and pasting talking points from someone who did the thinking for you.

And do you also believe that we should be able to limit the worship rights of non citizens? I take it you do since they're the same amendment.

 

[evergreenrider]

Masked? Are they trying to incite violent reactions? The whole committing actions which will later be used as justification for tyrannical legislation is getting old.

 

[filthybliss]

The Supreme Court has said that the First Amendment applies to noncitizens in the United States when it comes to criminal and civil penalties. But those protections don’t necessarily apply to deportations, the court has found. The federal government has nearly absolute power over immigration, including its ability to deport noncitizens; it gets to decide who comes and then stays in this country, potentially at the expense of constitutional rights.

In 1952, for example, the Supreme Court ruled that the government could deport immigrants for Communist Party membership without violating the First Amendment.

More specifically, administration officials cite a 1952 statute that lets the government deport immigrants, even green-card holders, for views that hamper U.S. foreign policy.

I'm just saying..........Wasting ICE on deporting people that may have views that don't align with Israel's clown government is a waste of resources.

Don't you see how that's a grave threat to free speech? The government is supposed to apply the law in a content neutral manner and failure to do so shouldn't be tolerated.

Right now Zionism is the greatest threat to free speech in the US and its not even close.

Mearsheimer wrote a controversial book about the Israel lobby. It genuinely feels like we have hardly any leverage on them when it comes to managing the war or running into Wars.

 

[MMA IAN]

Which case are you referring to exactly? It sounds like you're just copy and pasting talking points from someone who did the thinking for you.

That's your response?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm just saying..........Wasting ICE on deporting people that may have views that don't align with Israel's clown government is a waste of resources.


Mearsheimer wrote a controversial book about the Israel lobby. It genuinely feels like we have hardly any leverage on them when it comes to managing the war or running into Wars.

The Israel lobby is a manifestation of the fact that many Americans legitimately believe in supporting Israel. On the right its a combination of the inertia that the long time bipartisan consensus created, a little bit of anti-Muslim bias, and a reaction to progressive anti-Zionist and anti-colonial sentiment while on the left its a function of the fact that Jewish folks are an influential political bloc among Democrats who then make connections with others left of center in the Democrat tent who don't generally care about foreign policy and so by default support the position of their Jewish colleagues and constituents like Ritchie Torres, Hakeem Jeffries, and Eric Adams.

People too often frame the Israel lobby as some nefarious outside force but really you can say the "call is coming from inside the house"

To be clear Zionists, Jewish and otherwise, have a right to argue their viewpoint and if they have more influence to do so in a cosmopolitan society like ours there's nothing inherently wrong with that. What I disagree with is the recent crackdown on anti-Zionist protesters and in fairness even people like Chuck Schumer have pushed back against it.

 

[Anewt]

I'm just saying..........Wasting ICE on deporting people that may have views that don't align with Israel's clown government is a waste of resources.

Completely agree. Seems a epic waste of resources regardless. But theres a big difference between someone waving palestinian flag and a hamas or isis flag