Movies Marvel Studios in Crisis - A Variety Article

Anung Un Rama said:
Prior to Iron Man 1, Iron Man and the Avengers hadn't been popular in the comics fora long time. Of course the OG Avengers are the best Avengers for movies, but they have a ton of characters and rogues to play with. If they can figure out how to make a righteous F.F. and/or X-Men movie then they're back in business and can rebuild the Avengers further on down the road. I think its important that they recast and recast based on a vision not whose hot at the moment.
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It don't matter if Iron Man wasn't that popular of a comic book because he was a popular and well known Marvel character. I mean the very first Marvel cartoon was The Marvel Super Heroes featuring the Avengers including Iron Man. From there till the 90's (my era as a kid) they've only made series titled with Fantastic Four, Spider Man, The Thing (with Fred and Barney???), Spiderwoman, the Hulk and X-Men, Iron Man and Silver Surfer. So he was popular enough to get his own series (even though it was only 1 season).

And yes they have tons of characters and rogues to choose from but the ones they need to focus on are the ones from Fox. the void we all kinda feel is clearly because we have not seen the Mutants and Fantastic Four yet 9and all their related galleries of heroes and villains). I'd love to see them redo Ghost Rider as well. Do they need to dip into their bag and build their universe with the less known ones? Sure. But me personally meh.
 
eddymotto said:
Thor 2 makes $650m box office, 4x production budget

Sherdog Galaxy Brain: "what a dud"

once you realize that nobody is making films specifically for your individual enjoyment, the world will look like a radically different place
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It made that because of the MCUs high reputation at the time, which is now lost because all they produce is duds now. I paid to see that movie in theaters by the way.
 
eddymotto said:
maybe the Daredevil news should make you cautiously optimistic instead? Marvel accepted that they had a quality problem, brought in actual tv people to try to fix it, and seem willing to take financial hit rather than put out something that they don't have confidence in.

But I really don't know. I am not claiming that it is good news. But maybe it will turn out for the best?

Are you a fan of the Netflix era Marvel shows like Daredevil?
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Absolutely, Daredevil was handled so well on Netflix writing, acting, music but most importantly the tone. The reason I’m concerned is I don’t know if Disney will allow for the darker tone that Daredevil needs and will instead write in the same MCU formula and humor. I hope this isn’t the case and the corse correction they’re doing will be for the better. I wasn’t a fan of how they handled Kingpin in the Hawkeye show but maybe Born again will get the character right. But I am cautiously optimistic that they can get it right, provided Disney doesn’t interfere too much.
 
tobiaswins said:
Absolutely, Daredevil was handled so well on Netflix writing, acting, music but most importantly the tone. The reason I’m concerned is I don’t know if Disney will allow for the darker tone that Daredevil needs and will instead write in the same MCU formula and humor. I hope this isn’t the case and the corse correction they’re doing will be for the better. I wasn’t a fan of how they handled Kingpin in the Hawkeye show but maybe Born again will get the character right. But I am cautiously optimistic that they can get it right, provided Disney doesn’t interfere too much.
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I never got into any of the Netflix Marvel shows. I tried watching Daredevil but did not care for it but those shows were a big success overall. Sounds like if they can replicate that formula, it will pay off for people like you.

I think I understand your point about tone and what Disney fits the Disney brand. Disney did Andor, maybe the first real adult Star Wars property ever and so they seem open to more adult oriented shows. Of course, Andor did not do well in terms of viewership.

The biggest thing that I have been reading is that Marvel was making streaming shows with movie people and now they seem to have decided that maybe tv stuff is best done by experienced tv people.

(I have never been into any of the Marvel series, Netflix or Disney. Perhaps the conclusion for me personally is that I should just stick to the films).
 
CrazyN8 said:
It made that because of the MCUs high reputation at the time, which is now lost because all they produce is duds now. I paid to see that movie in theaters by the way.
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thanks for doing your part to make Thor 2 a hit
 
Last super hero things I gave a shit about was HBO's Watchmen, The Boys, Director's Cut Justice League, and The Flash. The rest can fuck off.
 
This was predictable right after End Game. In reality, it was over then and there and you where just squeezing the last bit of juice available during every project after it. You needed that Cheese Kevin and Bob.

Of course, it didn't help matters they've you've made shit every sense. More dipped in political agendas than compelling stories and character.

Also, you picked all the wrong heroes to lead your new "phase". Who gives a fuck cares about The Eternals, Shang Chi and Antman? Clearly not the audience, because all those films lost money.
 
SaiWa said:
It don't matter if Iron Man wasn't that popular of a comic book because he was a popular and well known Marvel character. I mean the very first Marvel cartoon was The Marvel Super Heroes featuring the Avengers including Iron Man. From there till the 90's (my era as a kid) they've only made series titled with Fantastic Four, Spider Man, The Thing (with Fred and Barney???), Spiderwoman, the Hulk and X-Men, Iron Man and Silver Surfer. So he was popular enough to get his own series (even though it was only 1 season).

And yes they have tons of characters and rogues to choose from but the ones they need to focus on are the ones from Fox. the void we all kinda feel is clearly because we have not seen the Mutants and Fantastic Four yet 9and all their related galleries of heroes and villains). I'd love to see them redo Ghost Rider as well. Do they need to dip into their bag and build their universe with the less known ones? Sure. But me personally meh.
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So you're suggesting a Firestar movie would have killed because she was one of Spiderman's amazing friends? Ghost Rider is pretty well known (not MCU, but point stands) - terrible movies. IM was a great movie that used great source material. The comics are full of them. Its not just that they lacked FF, mutants, Namor, and Hulk and Spider-Man to a degree, its that they shitty movies and launched crappy products with the characters they did have. Both FF movies sucked and most of the X-Men movies sucked. Just now I saw a trailer for Echo, a side character from the Hawkeye tv show.... Thor Ragnarok was kinda great, but 2/4 were garbage and the other one wasn't great either. 2nd Dr Strange: bad. IM 2 and 3: Bad. BP1 and CM 1 were box office smashes; they were bad movies. Iron Fist, The Defenders, Vision & Scarlet Witch: Bad (they have an Agatha Harkness tv show coming out!).

Edit: and yes they def need to focus on the FF and Xmen, but its not going to be easy if they don't invest in them. I don't want to see an X-Men movie and then a tv show about Kitty Pryde's parents.
 
eddymotto said:
Thor 2 makes $650m box office, 4x production budget

Sherdog Galaxy Brain: "what a dud"

once you realize that nobody is making films specifically for your individual enjoyment, the world will look like a radically different place
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It was a terrible movie. Thor's milkshake brought us to the yard.
 
Just give us a 90 minute Punisher movie with Jon Bernthal going HAM as Frank.
 
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