Movies Marvel Studios in Crisis - A Variety Article

Too preachy, and not enough fun.

I get having lessons. It has been that way since story-telling first started around the fire. We do not need it every time anymore. We consume too much media now, so just have something where we can see fancy lights and hear some nice boom booms here and there.
 
I wonder how bad deadpool will be after the disney purchase. They are sitting on X-men and have already made 3 movies for Ant-Man. An X-men teamup with the avengers and Fantastic 4 for the secret wars movie. Its so easy it writes itself. Instead they waste 230 million or whatever on she-hulk.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Ironman 1 feels like it was made by a completely different company.
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That's because it was. Disney bought in just before the first Avengers, give or take. Everything before that was Marvel Studios.

To me, the problem isn't over saturation, but over saturation of bad product. If they were churning out good movies and shows, nobody would complain and their grosses would be through the roof. But their output has been largely shit, and nobody wants to see shit movies and shows.
 
Excelsior said:
That's because it was. Disney bought in just before the first Avengers, give or take. Everything before that was Marvel Studios.

To me, the problem isn't over saturation, but over saturation of bad product. If they were churning out good movies and shows, nobody would complain and their grosses would be through the roof. But their output has been largely shit, and nobody wants to see shit movies and shows.
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Yeah I don't think anyone thinks the issue is oversaturation. The problem is they are making movies that no one wants to see.
 
It’s not just Superhero fatigue, it’s poorly written Superhero fatigue. For me it’s more in the way that Disney is far more concerned with setting up the next MCU project then focusing on a great story. Each movie has wayyyy too many unnecessary subplots and characters, so that they could set up the next movie. Also the same boring and safe MCU formula that Disney keeps going back to, nothing feels unique, everything has the same formula and MCU humor. It’s all being churned out on a conveyer belt with making as much money as possible being the only goal. It’s the definition of insanity, and Disney keeps making the same mistakes.
 
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ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Yeah I don't think anyone thinks the issue is oversaturation. The problem is they are making movies that no one wants to see.
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If you look through this thread you’ll find several.

Oversatuation leads to a watered down product. It stretches the people behind the scenes far too thin which results in bad products. Pretty much common sense.

But sure, you can just scream woke which isn’t something the vast majority of Americans give a shit about.
 
Dizzy said:
If you look through this thread you’ll find several.

Oversatuation leads to a watered down product. It stretches the people behind the scenes far too thin which results in bad products. Pretty much common sense.

But sure, you can just scream woke which isn’t something the vast majority of Americans give a shit about.
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Agreed. I'm one of them. So much content between the movies and the D+ shows that even the good stuff gets lost in the tsunami of mediocrity. And if you're churning out movies and shows on a production line, your quality will inevitably drop. Especially if you're forcing the Effects teams to work 14 hour days with no overtime.

Marvel got lazy and greedy.
 
Dizzy said:
If you look through this thread you’ll find several.

Oversatuation leads to a watered down product. It stretches the people behind the scenes far too thin which results in bad products. Pretty much common sense.

But sure, you can just scream woke which isn’t something the vast majority of Americans give a shit about.
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The issue is the wokeness. No one was complaining about over saturation when we were being over saturated with Iron Man, Captain America and Thor movies.
 
Dizzy said:
If you look through this thread you’ll find several.

Oversatuation leads to a watered down product. It stretches the people behind the scenes far too thin which results in bad products. Pretty much common sense.

But sure, you can just scream woke which isn’t something the vast majority of Americans give a shit about.
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If that were the case then Disney wouldn't have gotten backlash for what they put in their content and revenue would be up.

As it stands I guarantee you that the new Snow White movie is going to do terribly specifically for how it's leading star has been marketing the film (as another "who needs a man, girls get it done" bullshit flick) and less about an over saturation of snow white fairy tale films...
 
Marvel needs to stop making movies for 3 years then come back after intrest regsins steam and build the story slowly over many years to flesh out the next arc. Marvel os trying to just try n go bigger n bigger which just waters down everything an makes the story suck.
 
IMO the #1 issue is all the new heroes are just copies of the old heroes. They need to stop that. Bring in real new heroes with new powers that are different from everyone else. Nobody wants to see a black Iron Man woman. Nobody wants to see BP but it's the sister now. Lets do Hulk but it's a woman now. Hawkeye but it's a teenage girl now. Black Widow but it's her sister now.

It's all so lazy and uninspired. I'm kind of shocked Kevin F. ok'd all these decisions. They should have brought in the mutants already and started doing story lines based on that. The purchase was completed like 4 years ago we should already have movies coming out for this.
 
Eh, to me the cinematic universe is just mirroring the problems Marvel, the comic book company, had back in the day. Marvel always had ups and downs. A talented writer or artist would join a title, revitalize it, and sales would go up. Then the writer or artist would move on to other projects or just simply get burned out and run out of good stories which would result in them not having their contract renewed. They'd be replaced by hacks and sales would drop like a rock. Marvel has always had issues with editors interfering with the writers and artists too much and imposing their own plots, narratives and views as well (to this day I cannot fucking stand the walking failed abortion that is Bob Harras).

On top of all this, add the general public's fatigue with superhero movies and shows, and you get the current state of affairs down in Disney.
 
Fat Thor and pussy Hulk were the nail in the coffin for them. Dr. Strange, the cartoon Spider-Man’s, and Guardians were good after that but everything else is a steaming pile.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
The issue is the wokeness. No one was complaining about over saturation when we were being over saturated with Iron Man, Captain America and Thor movies.
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Lmao, not to normal people it isn’t.

There wasn’t near the amount of movies and shows being churned out as there are now. Quit being disingenuous to cover up your mental illness.
 
They should have rebooted the MCU after endgame. Once time travel is introduced and you've beaten Thanos with God power, there's nowhere else to go.

Start all over. Maybe start with X-Men since it's been a while for them. And blade is not a bad idea. I wouldn't do another iron man or Captain America for at least a decade though.

And stop worrying about everything tying together. She hulk's universe clearly has different rules than the avengers. They don't need everything to cross over anymore. Been there, done that, it's over.

Focus on making great individual movies again. Maybe in 10 years it will make sense to have a big crossover event, but trying to force one now is just setting yourself up for failure.
 
herpd807 said:
If that were the case then Disney wouldn't have gotten backlash for what they put in their content and revenue would be up.

As it stands I guarantee you that the new Snow White movie is going to do terribly specifically for how it's leading star has been marketing the film (as another "who needs a man, girls get it done" bullshit flick) and less about an over saturation of snow white fairy tale films...
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And if that were the case then their most successful movie ever would have flopped as it heavily featured girl power. Even The Boys openly mocked it.

The complaints about these new properties is that they’re boring, ugly, uninspired, and there’s too much they don’t care about to keep up with. Only terminally online psychos give a fuck about wokeness.
 
I'm done with the MCU myself outside of one-offs that look interesting. I had watched every single movie until End Game and while some weren't great, all but Thor Dark World was at least what I would consider good. And solid 7 or 8/10 movies.

After that, it felt like they were lost and just churning out content that could have literally been written by AI. They've gotten so far over the top too with the nano bots, multi-universes and the like that I couldn't even get into the last Spider-Man. It was just too ridiculous and I couldn't turn my brain off for it.

There's this big push now to push unlikable or unestalished characters and then whine about it online when they fail that people are sexist or racist when they fail. I'm sorry but no one cares about the Eternals, Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau or Ms. Marvel. It's not because they are women or people of color but because they just aren't that interesting of characters with deep lore and history like others.

I think the plan is already to do another Avengers which shows me, they've given up and are going to try to go back to the well. The answer is quality over quantity. Find a good character and story and really go all out with it. Make it an event. Make ONE big movie a year if that. The constant bombardment of movies and characters with cheap, CG, bad stories and characters no one cares about is your problem. Put those characters on TV shows and try to build them up first and even then, SLOW DOWN.
 
Dizzy said:
And if that were the case then their most successful movie ever would have flopped as it heavily featured girl power. Even The Boys openly mocked it.

The complaints about these new properties is that they’re boring, ugly, uninspired, and there’s too much they don’t care about to keep up with. Only terminally online psychos give a fuck about wokeness.
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What's their most successful movie ever?

End Game?
https://www.newsweek.com/20-highest-grossing-disney-movies-all-time-star-wars-frozen-1600957

1. Avengers: Endgame
$2,797,501,328

The movie primarily follows the revenge story of the main Avengers cast. That being, Thor, Captain America, Iron Man and Hulk. There is only one small "girl power" moment...but you would be remiss if you think the entire filmed revolved around girl power.

It culminated with the heroic sacrifice of a straight white father and husband to "save the day"

Wanna try again?
 
Dizzy said:
Are people really bringing up South Park? Cartman has been said many times to be the worst person they can imagine.

If you’re siding with him they’re making fun of you as well.
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That's kind of the point.
But it's also that the Kennedy character people bring up is the "evil kennedy" from the "multiverse" making fun of all that
 
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