Mark Hamill Hates The Last Jedi

It doesn't need to be merged.. It's in the big thread.
 
Good for Hamill.

"I haven't been this speechless since Force Awakens."

 
Kafir-kun said:
Its not even clear to me what happened here, what incentive is there for these lenient reviews? The obvious answer is "money" but how exactly?

IIRC in the gaming industry developers will use early access as their carrot/stick; bad review? No early access for you.

Is it something similar here?
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This is the part that frustrates me. I don't know how. I can't illustrate or explain the mechanism(s) by which they're accomplishing this, and normally I'm the first type to demand that (as of CT theorists).

All I have is a lack of blindness to math this fuzzy. It's my only evidence. The deviations are inexplicable. Occam's Razor: manipulation is the best remaining answer when all other possible answers are exhausted to explain it. Money is obviously the prime suspect. How they co-opted the sites remains a mystery to me.
 
Madmick said:
This is the part that frustrates me. I don't know how. I can't illustrate or explain the mechanism(s) by which they're accomplishing this, and normally I'm the first type to demand that (as of CT theorists).

All I have is a lack of blindness to math this fuzzy. It's my only evidence. The deviations are inexplicable. Occam's Razor: manipulation is the best remaining answer when all other possible answers are exhausted to explain it. Money is obviously the prime suspect. How they co-opted the sites remains a mystery to me.
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My guess would be that if theres direct Disney influence its not in payoff's but rather simply in working with them. I mean looking at the situation with Sherdog during the Gross years, the way it showed the UFC clearly looking to control media coverage in a more indirect fashion. With Disney I suspect it might well be a combination of being "on side" meaning that the media outlet you work for gets the star interviews still and perhaps even more importantly gets the advertising revenue? a lot of these webistes especially really depend on that for the majority of their income.

Added to this though I tend to think your dealing with a culture in which reviewers have become much more connected via the net, the idea of one person having their say on a film in an at least somewhat independent fashion is long gone. Reviewers these days are generally well aware of the climate around a film or series of film, if it has positive of negative expectations and are both influenced by and often afraid to speak against those expectations. You have some films so good or bad that its going to come out but for the vast majority in the middle expectation is often a self fulfilling prophecy.

I think expectation for these Starwars sequels was massive and perhaps more importantly wasn't just people wanting to enjoy them. The films came after a decade or more in which dislike for Lucas's prequels had become a massive culture and I think these films are viewed by many as a justification for that, they have to be great in order to prove that all the criticism people bought into previously was correct.

Honestly my feeling is that whilst the prequels were very flawed films the problem with a lot of stuff like Red Letter Media and Stuckman is that they operate on a very basic level, what they were selling as the ideal blockbuster formula was dum dum blockbuster 101 that could be easily sold in a short video. Someone like Abrams for me is simply a bit a hack, a reasonably skilled hack perhaps but I don't think he really has much ambiton as a director and he's passed down that style to this film as well. Trying to make a competent formula film for easy success is the aim not making cinema on the level of the original Starwars films or Lord of the Rings.

The Last Jedi did I think have its moments where it was after something more but it collapsed based I think quite significantly on the dodgy ground it was built on.
 
SSgt Dickweed said:
Please move to the bigger thread if you need to, I just thought this deserves its own. For the record, I actually enjoyed TLJ but I can def see how some hate it, especially those who grew up as big fans. I only became a fan in my twenties.



This video is hilarious. I literally spat at my phone while watching it. As an actor, he might just play the role as it is written but Hamill knows how much Star Wars means to the fans, and that's probably why he is so indifferent/disappointed about it. Just the look on his face says it all.
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I love his slack-jawed expression. I've never seen someone less impressed with the world.
 
MikeMcMann said:
He knows. That is the poster formerly known as John Wick.

There are a few posters that scrapped their old accounts primarily, I believe so that they can build a bigger 'like' to 'post' ratio without those old legacy pre-like posts averaging in.
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lol is this real life?
 
D Train said:
I’m struggling to care about Star Wars and I never would have thought that was possible
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I feel the same way man. Been a huge fan since I was a child, but this shit has hit new lows for me.
 
Kafir-kun said:
The top critics gave it an even higher(96% vs 91%) score than the regular ones but guess what the audience gave it? 48%.

What world are we living in when a blockbuster cash cow gets more praise from critics, and even more from supposedly top critics, than the average film goer?
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Where is it written that critics (top or not) are supposed to give less praise than general audiences? People have been freaking out about the difference in scores for TLJ but it's not that uncommon, and it happens in both directions (Netflix's Bright was eviscerated by critics and well-received by audiences). We don't have to feel puzzled by it, all it takes is reading some of those fresh reviews and see what critics liked about it.

It's been a while since I've read anything about the movie but I remember critics loving the constant subversion of expectations (even if it was for it's own sake), some of the themes introduced, the whole "presenting Star Wars to a new audience" stuff, diversity (shoehorned or not)... most of them seemed to not care about what the fans hated: how popular characters were handled, how the film fits within what was expected after The Force Awakens (or expected of any Star Wars film period), etc etc.

It should be noted that there's a notorious faceless hype machine working in Disney's favor (including Lucasfilm, Marvel, everything) where it's perceived as this benevolent force in entertainment and every single thing they put out is (or is expected to be) very good. The review baseline for them seems to be much much higher than for anyone else for whatever reason.
 
MikeMcMann said:
He knows. That is the poster formerly known as John Wick.

There are a few posters that scrapped their old accounts primarily, I believe so that they can build a bigger 'like' to 'post' ratio without those old legacy pre-like posts averaging in.
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Not the greatest fan of Screen Junkies but this is a very good summary of what RT is and isn't:

 
All the new Star Wars movies have sucked cock. Only super fans with nostalgia goggles like them. I haven't even seen this latest one because I knew it would suck.
 
MiniCraque said:
Not the greatest fan of Screen Junkies but this is a very good summary of what RT is and isn't:

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Which does I think highlight were the potential for influence becomes stronger, your often only talking a small difference between fresh and rotten in reviews.

On a different kind of tone as well for more challenging films I tend to think RT isn't always the best either, I mean it gives a good indication whether something is good or bad a lot of the time but to me something that challenges the viewer is always likely to have more of a mixed reception.

I often find for the latter its actually around 85-90% that's the best score, you get up closer to 95-100% and your more into Oscar bait territory not looking to offend anyone or offer any supprises.
 
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D3THRONED said:
I feel the same way man. Been a huge fan since I was a child, but this shit has hit new lows for me.
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A lot of people my age group feel the same way, we waited 30 fucking years for the return of luke sky walker and we get this shit?

The prequels were bad enough, but shitting on Luke made it unbearable, it has even hurt my 4 yr olds love for starwars as his favorites are the originals too.

I have no desire for the new movie. It left nothing to draw you to the next one.

The rey bullshit, no luke, snokes gone. Wtf.

Kylo is not a real threatening bad guy, at least in most people’s eyes.

There is no main conflict to be worried about.
 
moreorless87 said:
Which does I think highlight were the potential for influence becomes stronger, your often only talking a small difference between fresh and rotten in reviews.

On a different kind of tone as well for more challenging films I tend to think RT isn't always the best either, I mean it gives a good indication whether something is good or bad a lot of the time but to me something that challenges the viewer is always likely to have more of a mixed reception.

I often find for the latter its actually around 85-90% that's the best score, you get up closer to 95-100% and your more into Oscar bait territory not looking to offend anyone or offer any supprises.
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Not necessarily though. I loved Get Out and some of it's themes went right over people's heads or were disingenuously oversimplified (It's bout racizm bruh) but it still worked as a weird comedy/horror mashup on surface level.

In general though you're right, movies who play it safe will often have a high tomatometer score (with most reviews being in the 7 or 8 territory). Wonder Woman is a good example, it was by no means a revolutionary movie but it managed to accomplish very well what it set out to do in the first place, be a solid comic booky adventure film. It was loved by very few but actively disliked by even fewer.

It's all good in my book, people just need to not freak out and go "omg Rotten Tomatoes says movie A is better than movie B".
 
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