Man.. Jose Aldo was dry humped last night..

[Mohawk Banditó]

Jose Aldo won 2-3. He caused the cut in the 2nd and outstruck Bautista.
3rd round he also landed double the sig strikes and control time doesn't score unless all else is equal.

Well that's not true. "octagon control is the third tier of scoring. That's just commanding the center. Grappling control time is part of "effective grappling." Granted, it should be scored at the lowest rate on the first tier, but it is scored on that tier right alongside striking.

 

[RonDante]

If i decide to hug you all night, its on you to stop me. Hosay failed to do so, and that is why he lost, and rightfully so.

If you decide to do something that doesn’t score under the current judging criteria, and I land more strikes at distance and total, I win

 

[RonDante]

Well that's not true. "octagon control is the third tier of scoring. That's just commanding the center. Grappling control time is part of "effective grappling." Granted, it should be scored at the lowest rate on the first tier, but it is scored on that tier right alongside striking.

Clinching is not a dominant position, which is the only way you could control time your way to a win, so bautista didn’t have any effective grappling, he lost the effective striking, so he loses the round

 

[RonDante]

Im not defending poor judging. Hosay failed to stop Bautista from hugging him. Judges award for octagon control, and thats what he did. He controlled Hosay.

Nope, judges award effective striking/grappling first, if that’s completely equal then effective aggression, if that’s completely equal then fighting area control, which is what bautista accomplished with the clinching, so since bautista lost the effective striking and had no effective grappling, aldo wins the round

 

[RonDante]

Volk laid the blueprint to beating Aldo safely. Then Merab and Bautista followed it.

People are overly critical of Mario. He did what he had to do. Aldo is a scary motherfucker. I get the criticism if he were to do that every fight. But he did it once because you either tko Aldo and take mad damage in the process, or if you don’t have that skill set you have to hold him against the cage

If you guys were fighting Aldo with their skill sets you’d all be getting dropped and fucked up like Rob Font while I’m winning a boring decision

Except volk and merab actually beat Aldo, and in those clinch positions they landed strikes, merab landed 52 strikes to Aldo’s 13 in the 3rd round for example, Bautista landed 19 to Aldo’s 20, and Aldo won the significant strikes with 17 to 10

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Garbage Judges Garbage Refs #FuckUtah

 

[Dr Fong]

Well that's not true. "octagon control is the third tier of scoring. That's just commanding the center. Grappling control time is part of "effective grappling." Granted, it should be scored at the lowest rate on the first tier, but it is scored on that tier right alongside striking.

This is a silly take.

There is absolutely nothing in the scoring criteria that asserts that clinching against the cage counts as effective grappling.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I don't understand the scoring of that fight I felt like aldo landed more and whenever Batista got lit up, he dived for crotch and did nothing

 

[Khaosan]

10k for the first guy who knocks Bautista out cold according to MMA GURU

Let me at him.

 

[Slapjit]

The other guy looked like the kid from coco all grown up.

His family prolly h8 hugging too come from heavy striking background abuelita say no wrestlin' ting sus but bro has only love in his heart no desire fi hurt a fellow human

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

This is a silly take.

There is absolutely nothing in the scoring criteria that asserts that clinching against the cage counts as effective grappling.

There's as much of that as there is to suggest grappling has to take place on the ground.

I'm not saying his "effective grappling" was enough to win, but correcting the fact that people don't know what control is (that's not a take, that's fact), and wall stalling has basically always been scored as someone winning during that time, not just holding even

 

[StrikerKing]

If i decide to hug you all night, its on you to stop me. Hosay failed to do so, and that is why he lost, and rightfully so.

The problem with this is it is much easier to hug someone and play it safe than it is to engage and does not truly show who is the most skilled. IMO stalling should be a foul, not rewarded.

I've casually trained for almost 20 years. I can spar with guys who are better than me absolutely everywhere, but if my singular focus is to shut down any engagement and basically clinch and gold I can do that fairly successfully against much better fighters. And I 100% think that should resulted in a warning and then a point deduction.

 

[13Seconds]

Remember when everyone hated Volk for beating Aldo in identical fashion?

 

[TheNinja]

He got Randy Couture’d!

 

[FreedomCricket]

Aldo was gassed after the 1st round.

It's his own fault.

 

[Dr Fong]

There's as much of that as there is to suggest grappling has to take place on the ground.

I'm not saying his "effective grappling" was enough to win, but correcting the fact that people don't know what control is (that's not a take, that's fact), and wall stalling has basically always been scored as someone winning during that time, not just holding even

No, it's not a fact. You are mistaking your own lack of reading comprehension for facts.

Absolutely nowhere in the criteria does it state that cage clinching counts as effective grappling. The reference to 'advantageous positions' is used in the context of takedowns, submissions and reversals and top or bottom position.

Neither literally or in intent does the criteria say anything about cage clinching as the achievement of an advantageous position. How could the failure to achieve an advantageous position, i.e a failed takedown, count as achieving an advantageous position? It's oxymoronic.

And that's before we even get to the other parts of the criteria that make it perfectly clear that the achievement of an advantageous position means little by itself.

It certainly doesn't outweigh effective striking in this instance.

Trying to make a case Bautista winning is just contrarian nonsense. It doesn't make you clever. It makes you the opposite.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Bautista wasn't looking to fight. Stalling needs to be yellow carded Pride style

It should be called out by the reff and the fighter spoken to and warned

This is a silly take.

There is absolutely nothing in the scoring criteria that asserts that clinching against the cage counts as effective grappling.

Failing 10 TDs is the definition of ineffective grappling.

 

[Gilday]

If i decide to hug you all night, its on you to stop me. Hosay failed to do so, and that is why he lost, and rightfully so.

That's an argument against separations, which I agree with, not an argument that he won under the scoring criteria. Under the scoring criteria, Aldo clearly won.

The scoring criteria is in this order:
1. Effective (damage based) Striking/Grappling
2. Effective Aggression
3. Octagon Control

Let's analyse round 2 and 3 on that basis.
Round 2:
Effective Striking: Aldo out landed him in total and significant strikes and did visible damage opening up a cut.
Effective Grappling: None from either fighter
Effective Aggression: Aldo's aggression led to damage on Bautista's face, Bautista's led to holding against the cage. Edge Aldo.
Octagon Control: Bautista held him against the cage and kept him there, advantage Bautista

Round 3:
Effective Striking: Aldo disproportionately out landed him in both total and significant strikes, furthering the damage on Bautista's face.
Effective Grappling: None from either fighter
Effective Aggression: Aldo's aggression led to damage to the face, Bautista's led to literally zero damage. Advantage Aldo.
Octagon Control: Bautista held him against the cage and kept him there, advantage Bautista

If we're scoring the fight based on the 3 criteria, giving more weight to 1 and then to 2 etc, then how on Earth is a guy who is up in 1 and 2 of the criteria not winning the fight? It's not a case where it becomes subjective such as someone being out landed but then dropping their opponent, or one fighter having success in effective grappling and one having success in effective striking. This is a clear cut and dry case of scoring.
I'd genuinely go as far as to say anyone who doesn't score this 29-28 Aldo straight up doesn't know what the actual scoring criteria of the sport is.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Aldo should of kneed him in the face like he did Mini Mendes

 

[IDGETKTFO]

That's an argument against separations, which I agree with, not an argument that he won under the scoring criteria. Under the scoring criteria, Aldo clearly won.

The scoring criteria is in this order:
1. Effective (damage based) Striking/Grappling
2. Effective Aggression
3. Octagon Control

Let's analyse round 2 and 3 on that basis.
Round 2:
Effective Striking: Aldo out landed him in total and significant strikes and did visible damage opening up a cut.
Effective Grappling: None from either fighter
Effective Aggression: Aldo's aggression led to damage on Bautista's face, Bautista's led to holding against the cage. Edge Aldo.
Octagon Control: Bautista held him against the cage and kept him there, advantage Bautista

Round 3:
Effective Striking: Aldo disproportionately out landed him in both total and significant strikes, furthering the damage on Bautista's face.
Effective Grappling: None from either fighter
Effective Aggression: Aldo's aggression led to damage to the face, Bautista's led to literally zero damage. Advantage Aldo.
Octagon Control: Bautista held him against the cage and kept him there, advantage Bautista

If we're scoring the fight based on the 3 criteria, giving more weight to 1 and then to 2 etc, then how on Earth is a guy who is up in 1 and 2 of the criteria not winning the fight? It's not a case where it becomes subjective such as someone being out landed but then dropping their opponent, or one fighter having success in effective grappling and one having success in effective striking. This is a clear cut and dry case of scoring.
I'd genuinely go as far as to say anyone who doesn't score this 29-28 Aldo straight up doesn't know what the actual scoring criteria of the sport is.

How do you define aggression? One can argue that grappling and clinching is a form of aggression. I would consider Merab's style of fighting is very aggresive.