Main Event pushes that failed

[TKing]

Vladimir Kozlov because half you bamas don't even remember he was with the company let alone got a WWE title match against Triple H at Survivor Series.

Kozlov was actually fun to watch cause he legit worked matches like he wanted to rip some heads off, I think he hurt quite a bit of people though.

The new ECW had some failed pushes of talent with potential. Elijah Burke had just about all the tools but apparently his loud mouth got him in trouble backstage. If I remember early on Vince said how Burke was the future. He did that with Mr Kennedy too, both found a way to ruin their push and found their way out of the company eventually.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Obviously ECW was on a lower level, but how about Justin Credible as an example for this? You always hear about how Paul E was this genius booker, but then he had the bright idea to push Aldo freakin Montoya as a top guy. I can appreciate that Paul didn't have a lot to work with but even still.....Justin Credible sucked.

 

[sangreporsangre]

http://411mania.com/wrestling/vince-russo-talks-austin-jarretts-issues-in-wwe/

Jarret's return promo from WCW pretty much ended his WWE main event potential from the word go, plus the previous history with Jarrets/Austin meant he be in mid-card 4 life in WWE. As long as Austin was the top guy, Jarret wouldn't even touch the main event ceiling in the WWE.

Stone Cold the character is probably the biggest badass ever, but Steve Austin the man is quite the diva. He also got Piper canned from his podcasting gig because he didn't like some jokes Roddy was making at his expense or something.

 

[Stargazer Rex]

Austin killed Piper

 

[YourHeroandMine]

Nope, not Sheamus or Rollins, it was all Reigns

You can keep repeating this narrative ad nauseum, but what you can't do is refute the numerous ways I pointed out how you're wrong. You're also challenged to resolve how everyone else somehow seems to be able to see something that, let's be honest, you simply choose not to.

If it seems like everyone else is taking crazy pills, maybe it's just you.

 

[A Bird]

Obviously ECW was on a lower level, but how about Justin Credible as an example for this? You always hear about how Paul E was this genius booker, but then he had the bright idea to push Aldo freakin Montoya as a top guy. I can appreciate that Paul didn't have a lot to work with but even still.....Justin Credible sucked.

 

[YourHeroandMine]

Also to be fair Jarrett is terrible in every single way possible.

I think Jarrett has gotten a bad rap over the years for simply being in over his head. He was basically like the Miz; solid worker, pretty good promo, legitimately annoying, average sized, no true outstanding attribute. He was a guy built for tag teams and the upper mid card. Can't fault either of them for being shoved into a main event role they ultimately couldn't handle.

Wasn't Regal on the verge of a main event push at one point, around '08 or so? Heel-Regal working on top would've been too sweet.

It was when they gave him the KotR. He was supposed to be getting a big push out of that, and started to, but the positive test squashed his last chance at a big run. Too bad, too. Always loved Regal's work, promos, and facial expressions. I'm not sure anyone else could pantomime pure disdain for an audience or opponent like Regal.

 

[JohnSAFTAHess]

Obviously ECW was on a lower level, but how about Justin Credible as an example for this? You always hear about how Paul E was this genius booker, but then he had the bright idea to push Aldo freakin Montoya as a top guy. I can appreciate that Paul didn't have a lot to work with but even still.....Justin Credible sucked.

I guess that's how good Heyman is. People believed it, for a bit. I always felt the same way about Taz, even though he's a lot better than Aldo. He looked like a bad ass in ECW... he didn't look like a bad ass outside of ECW.

You can keep repeating this narrative ad nauseum, but what you can't do is refute the numerous ways I pointed out how you're wrong. You're also challenged to resolve how everyone else somehow seems to be able to see something that, let's be honest, you simply choose not to.

If it seems like everyone else is taking crazy pills, maybe it's just you.

It's struggles gimmick..

 

[LuchaBear]

You can keep repeating this narrative ad nauseum, but what you can't do is refute the numerous ways I pointed out how you're wrong. You're also challenged to resolve how everyone else somehow seems to be able to see something that, let's be honest, you simply choose not to.

If it seems like everyone else is taking crazy pills, maybe it's just you.

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[Buff]

Austin killed Piper

That or a 30 year cocaine addiction.

 

[Stargazer Rex]

That or a 30 year cocaine addiction.

All Piper had left in this world was that damn podcast and Austin took that from him. Piper died from a broken heart.

Austin killed Piper

 

[Buff]

All Piper had left in this world was that damn podcast and Austin took that from him. Piper died from a broken heart.

Austin killed Piper

I'll always think of Piper as being a terrible wrestler with great mic skills... That "Scottish Rage" thing was basically his excuse to no-sell to other wrestlers even though he was too small to maneuver or slam them properly... No disrespect to the guy, I loved him when k was a kid, but thinking back the dude was hardly even wrestling back in the early 90s... He had made such a big splash just from his promos and being the first major thorn in the side of Hulkamania that he didn't even have to. Then it was the Ric Flair beef, then he vanished again, then he appeared briefly to fight (beat the fuck out of) Goldust before it was WCW and done... He never claimed to be a great wrestler, and yet he's still considered one... But yeah I do have mixed feelings on the guy... It's like he did it all without ever actually doing that much.

 

[Michaelangelo]

y2J's run when he first won the undisputed title ended pretty bad

He got stuck in midcard hell for like 6 years

 

[RMMA]

y2J's run when he first won the undisputed title ended pretty bad

He got stuck in midcard hell for like 6 years

Being booked like a complete coward who needs the help of a Lance Storm/Christian to defeat the Rock (Royal Rumble 02) make him look pretty weak. Jericho title win should of been the moment to solidify himself as the new main eventer for the 00's in general, instead it set him back alot. Also, the alignment with Steph and being the third wheel for a WM main event sum up how badly book a champion he was.

Simply the world champ/challenger should be the focus for a WM not be a third wheel, if the champ is the third wheel come WM time than what was the point of him being champion if he's going to be shafted by then.

2008 was the best Jericho, character/match wise with the feud with HBK, then Cena returned and that was that.

 

[YourHeroandMine]

I'll always think of Piper as being a terrible wrestler with great mic skills... That "Scottish Rage" thing was basically his excuse to no-sell to other wrestlers even though he was too small to maneuver or slam them properly... No disrespect to the guy, I loved him when k was a kid, but thinking back the dude was hardly even wrestling back in the early 90s... He had made such a big splash just from his promos and being the first major thorn in the side of Hulkamania that he didn't even have to. Then it was the Ric Flair beef, then he vanished again, then he appeared briefly to fight (beat the fuck out of) Goldust before it was WCW and done... He never claimed to be a great wrestler, and yet he's still considered one... But yeah I do have mixed feelings on the guy... It's like he did it all without ever actually doing that much.

Prime Roddy was similar to prime JBL; great talker, limited in the ring, but a solid brawler and could be carried to a good standard match when the talent was right (Flair/Hart/Orndorff for Piper, Eddie/Rey/HBK for JBL). Those dog-collar matches with Valentine were legit classics, as well.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Being booked like a complete coward who needs the help of a Lance Storm/Christian to defeat the Rock (Royal Rumble 02) make him look pretty weak. Jericho title win should of been the moment to solidify himself as the new main eventer for the 00's in general, instead it set him back alot. Also, the alignment with Steph and being the third wheel for a WM main event sum up how badly book a champion he was.

Simply the world champ/challenger should be the focus for a WM not be a third wheel, if the champ is the third wheel come WM time than what was the point of him being champion if he's going to be shafted by then.

2008 was the best Jericho, character/match wise with the feud with HBK, then Cena returned and that was that.

Most heels are cowards so I can excuse that. I didn't like him partnering with Steph either. HHH returning as a face was a huge mistake. Took them 7 months to fix that. Start of 2002 was just fucked up all around.

 

[RMMA]

Most heels are cowards so I can excuse that. I didn't like him partnering with Steph either. HHH returning as a face was a huge mistake. Took them 7 months to fix that. Start of 2002 was just fucked up all around.

2002 was a true transition year for the WWE going from the Attitude era to the brand split era. Tons of title changes from Wrestlemania to Summerslam, Lesnar's arrival can be see now as a true changing of the guard from one era to another.

 

[LuchaBear]

 

[the ambush]

y2J's run when he first won the undisputed title ended pretty bad

He got stuck in midcard hell for like 6 years

Which is why I believe Jericho pales in comparison to other legends. I can name a few epic matches I remember from Shawn Michaels or Ric Flair - wrestlers I never personally cared for, if you ask me a few from Y2J's matches I can maybe give you one. IMO in the big picture he is a conclusive step below the likes of Austin, HBK, Bret, and others.

 

[HereticBD]

Wow. When it's all condensed like that....wow.

He's got my vote.