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Main Event pushes that failed

TheStruggle said:
Roman era yet Sheamus is champion...
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You're not serious, are you?

You have to see who the whole show is booked around. It wasn't Rollins then and it isn't Sheamus now. They aren't the main focus of the show any more than Savage was during his first title run, or Slaughter during his. It's extraordinarily obvious what they're doing and, if you can't see it, you're damn near alone.
 
YourHeroandMine said:
You're not serious, are you?

You have to see who the whole show is booked around. It wasn't Rollins then and it isn't Sheamus now. They aren't the main focus of the show any more than Savage was during his first title run, or Slaughter during his. It's extraordinarily obvious what they're doing and, if you can't see it, you're damn near alone.
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So Rollins wasn't the main focus on the show for over 7 months while Cena and Roman spent the majority of that same time in the midcard?
 
TheStruggle said:
So Rollins wasn't the main focus on the show for over 7 months while Cena and Roman spent the majority of that same time in the midcard?
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So Savage wasn't the focus of the show while Hogan spent the majority of his time in the midcard beating guys Akeem and Bossman? So Slaughter wasn't the main focus of the show while Hogan and Warrior spent the majority of the time in the midcard beating guys like Earthquake and Barbarian?

Again, it's obvious when someone is being booked as THE guy and when they're being booked as the foil to that guy.

EDIT: Shit, at least Savage and Slaughter were booked as the actual foils to THE guy. Rollins and Sheamus aren't even that; they're puppets directed by the real foil, the Authority. It should be easy to see that any time the company books overtly heel authority figures against any babyface long term, that babyface is the guy the show is being booked around.
 
YourHeroandMine said:
So Savage wasn't the focus of the show while Hogan spent the majority of his time in the midcard beating guys Akeem and Bossman? So Slaughter wasn't the main focus of the show while Hogan and Warrior spent the majority of the time in the midcard beating guys like Earthquake and Barbarian?

Again, it's obvious when someone is being booked as THE guy and when they're being booked as the foil to that guy.

EDIT: Shit, at least Savage and Slaughter were booked as the actual foils to THE guy. Rollins and Sheamus aren't even that; they're puppets directed by the real foil, the Authority. It should be easy to see that anytime the company books overtly heel authority figures against any babyface long term, that babyface is the guy the show is being booked around.
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Even then the Reigns vs Authority has only been going for a month. The Authority put more focus on Seth than anyone else going back to last year's Money in the Bank. Rollins was always portrayed as the handpicked champion before he won it. Besides putting him up every week to cut 20 minutes promos to open every show, that kept putting odds on Seth to prove he was as good as a champ as they thought. They put him up against Orton, Brock, Cena, Sting, and Ambrose just about every big names at the time so if Rollins was not the guy at the time then who the hell was? Cena weekly midcard challenge or Reigns 6 month midcard feud with Bray Wyatt?
 
TheStruggle said:
Even then the Reigns vs Authority has only been going for a month.
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Reigns vs Authority has been going on, off and on, since the Shield started rebelling against (and eventually feuding directly with) the Authority. This feud intensified when Rollins joined the Authority, and they made it immediately clear that Reigns was the centerpiece of that storyline by sacrificing Ambrose almost immediately.

TheStruggle said:
The Authority put more focus on Seth than anyone else going back to last year's Money in the Bank. Rollins was always portrayed as the handpicked champion before he won it.
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The handpicked puppet, who constantly loses and requires massive amounts of protection. Seth was booked about as strongly as the Honky Tonk Man was during his IC reign, but again, at least HTM was his own guy. Rollins was second fiddle in his own storylines.

TheStruggle said:
Besides putting him up every week to cut 20 minutes promos to open every show, that kept putting odds on Seth to prove he was as good as a champ as they thought.
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Promos that almost always featured HHH, Stephanie, Kane, or centered on him gloating about having retained his belt via Authority shenanigans.

TheStruggle said:
They put him up against Orton, Brock, Cena, Sting, and Ambrose just about every big names at the time so if Rollins was not the guy at the time then who the hell was? Cena weekly midcard challenge or Reigns 6 month midcard feud with Bray Wyatt?
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Ah, so 2015 Randy Orton is one of the biggest names around, but Bray Wyatt is a run of the mill mid-card guy? Interesting perspective, but not one I think many people would agree with.

Let's actually look at his feuds and how they break down.

-lost almost every match with demoted mid-carder Randy Orton
-only worked Brock three times; two were triple threats, he lost twice, and he was squashed for the majority of all three matches, with the only win coming via Authority interference
-lost almost every single time they matched him up with Cena, and the few wins were all via Authority interference
-worked with Sting once, necessarily beating him after doing the job (yet again) to Cena earlier in the night
-traded wins/losses with newly babyface Kane
-traded wins/losses with mid-card Ziggler
-traded wins/losses with mid-card Ambrose
-traded wins/losses with mid-card Ryback
-lost a bunch of times to Daniel Bryan

To sum, they booked him to go 50/50 with midcard guys, booked him to lose 90% of the time to actual top guys, and the few times he won was due to excessive amounts of interference from the Authority, the real entity in his storylines.

Now, I'm not one of those Rollins marks who thinks he's the shit and incessantly whines that he isn't being booked ala ~2003 HHH. He's a very good worker, a bland promo, and I think he's pretty much deserving of where he's being booked (essentially as a midcard type with upper-mid card leanings). At the same time, I'm not blind to how he IS being booked. Nor am I blind to the direction the shows move and who has remained a near-constant at the center of those shows. Again, it wasn't Rollins and it isn't Sheamus now.
 
Furthermore, Sheamus got pinned in the 37 man tag match on Raw, the whole League of Nations got beat up by Roman 1-on-4 on Smackdown, and then Roman speared Sheamus through a table after making him look like a pussy for 5-10 minutes.

Yeah, clearly Sheamus is the guy.
 
lets not get into debates about ratings in this thread, cause I really dont feel like you can blame the current downward trend or lack of sales on reigns, rollins, cena not being there etc but rather the over all product

but it feels like the reigns as the IT guy push is failing miserably. I swear Amberose gets bigger pops than him often
 
Rikishi was a good pick

Jeff Jarret during his wcw run. Just everything he ever did in wcw
 
Wasn't Regal on the verge of a main event push at one point, around '08 or so? Heel-Regal working on top would've been too sweet.
 
Not talking about him as a draw, his run was just shit lol.

Terrible matches with Sid and Mabel...Had to team up with HBK for a decent match, and his matches with Bret Hart were really good too. That's about it though

Edit - Talkin bout Diesel in 1995
 
Garnett Silk said:
Didnt Tatanka get a MAJOR heel push when he turned on FLexxxxy Lexxxxy and was Million Dollar man's secret prized jewel? How did that turn out?
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I remember that. Heel Tatanka was brilliant and he allied with DiBiase's Million Dollar team. I prefer anything that happened during that era over what we get now as fans. In my opinion everything that had to with the quality of the product was at an all time high back then; from story, PPV events, RAWs, ring work, to characters & roster talent.

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^^^ lol The subtle racism by Vinnie Mac there. The Indian getting bought by the white man
 
gspieler said:
Wasn't Regal on the verge of a main event push at one point, around '08 or so? Heel-Regal working on top would've been too sweet.
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I remember he was way high on the card as commissioner but fucked it up with i think a drug test failure.
 
RMMA said:
http://411mania.com/wrestling/vince-russo-talks-austin-jarretts-issues-in-wwe/

Jarret's return promo from WCW pretty much ended his WWE main event potential from the word go, plus the previous history with Jarrets/Austin meant he be in mid-card 4 life in WWE. As long as Austin was the top guy, Jarret wouldn't even touch the main event ceiling in the WWE.
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Austin was still butthurt about something Jarrett said to him in Memphis 10 years earlier. He was also probably jealous because Jeff was with Debra at the time.
 
The Higher Power said:
Austin was still butthurt about something Jarrett said to him in Memphis 10 years earlier. He was also probably jealous because Jeff was with Debra at the time.
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Also to be fair Jarrett is terrible in every single way possible.
 
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