Magic the Gathering removes "racist" cards from its library

[Sketch]

Usual simps defending this. Corn pop loon calling people racist. Thread turns into two dudes arguing about who's better at Magic.

Everything checks out.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

I wonder what Jon Finkel thinks about this.

 

[Falsedawn]

Imagine only playing one deck.

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee

 

[Gutter Chris]

Usual simps defending this. Corn pop loon calling people racist. Thread turns into two dudes arguing about who's better at Magic.

Everything checks out.

Ida whupped your ass at magic so bad in 2000 that you wouldnt be the person you are today. Youd still be livin in your moms basement wondering why your best was never good enough

This whole thing should be a non issue no matter what direction you come at it from so we might as well talk about something that matters

 

[TheGreatA]

Is the card not racist to you?

How the hell is that card "racist"? Racist against other color cards, maybe (you know, represented by those oppressed groups of elves, trolls, demons and whatever). Against people? No.

 

[Rational Poster]

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee

Bruce Lee lost to aspirin.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 

[Rational Poster]

I wonder what Jon Finkel thinks about this.

What do you think?

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

What do you think?

i went to school with him in NJ

after middle school (cant remember if he was there for 8th grade, but 7th grade for sure) he went to another high school if i remember correctly.

 

[Gutter Chris]

The point of the card is to invoke intolerance (to other colors). I'm saying it's absurd that #woke culture is itself so intolerant it can't see that this isn't praising or encouraging racist values in real life. Otherwise, any card in the game that utilizes imagery which is immoral or oppressive should be considered similarly egregious, and out of bounds. This is a preposterous boundary for a fictitious game. Where does it end? By this benchmark one shouldn't be allowed to choose a dark side character in a Star Wars video game. This isn't just about a card game. It's about all games, all art.

Thats a really good point

Of course a card called invoke prejudice should depict that and in context its not really racist

Out of context the card is horrible

Were livin in strange times. Our country has refused to deal with lingering race issues and police issues and now there is a crazy over correction going on . Were gonna do this with economic issues in the near future too. 40 years of bad leadership and bad policy had to come home to roost at some point and with our choices this election its likely that things are going to get worse

 

[nostradumbass]

It's banning kneeling. They didn't bring it up until the kneeling started. It was direct response to kneeling. Trump specifically calls for people kneeling to be fired.

Wow, so now the players are at fault for not staying out of politics during the game? You are talking about a league the in the last decade has accepted tens of millions of dollars from the pentagon for acts of "paid patriotism". “Until 2009, no NFL player stood for the national anthem because players actually stayed in the locker room as the anthem played,” ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith explained in 2016. “The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage onfield patriotic ceremonies as part of military-recruitment budget line items.”

So the league could pull ALL this shit, but kneeling during the anthem is suddenly too much politics in football and must be stopped? Derp.

I'm not demanding censorship. Please point to where folks demanded this of Magic and it wasn't their own choice? A business discontinuing old cards it thinks aren't helping it's branding going forward is not censorship.

Oh shit, I forgot to mention deflecting as the other move you guys always pull when defending your masters.

Thank you for finally admitting that the left find patriotism objectionable. Hatred of your own country is another on the long list of things you guys tried to flat out deny until being forced to finally admit. Why does it seem that every lefty is so ashamed of their own beliefs that you feel the need to lie until one of you says the quiet part out loud and then you finally come clean?

You just said yourself that the DOD paid millions for it, and the fans obviously didn't find it objectionable. That is not protesting their own country, and they were paying, not the ones being paid. The league is also government subsidized with stadiums built for them.

Do you disagree with both of these? You obviously disagree with the NFL telling their players not to protest the country of all the fans while at work, so are mobs strongarming companies to conform to their woke political ideology by removing TV shows and altering books and games also wrong, or is only the one that is anti-US ok?

The NFL president already changed his mind in what looked like a hostage video and said players are free to bash their country on the job. Since it's they're decisions and weren't forced or coerced, do you suppose all these corporate CEOs and company presidents all came to the same conclusion and became woke at exactly the same time?

 

[badascan]

God damnit no!!! My beloved magic, why!? Do I have stop dumping money into papa Hasbro's pockets?

 

[blaseblah]

The point of the card is to invoke intolerance (to other colors). I'm saying it's absurd that #woke culture is itself so intolerant it can't see that this isn't praising or encouraging racist values in real life. Otherwise, any card in the game that utilizes imagery which is immoral or oppressive should be considered similarly egregious, and out of bounds. This is a preposterous boundary for a fictitious game. Where does it end? By this benchmark one shouldn't be allowed to choose a dark side character in a Star Wars video game. This isn't just about a card game. It's about all games, all art.

It's a dude in a klan outfit. Not Star Wars.

 

[Rational Poster]

It's a dude in a klan outfit. Not Star Wars.

It's a dude in a klan outfit drawn by an overt literal Nazi with the card ID 1488.

 

[blaseblah]

It's a dude in a klan outfit drawn by an overt literal Nazi with the card ID 1488.

So what's Madmick's problem? This should've been banned decades ago.

 

[Madmick]

It's a dude in a klan outfit. Not Star Wars.

What a profoundly shortsighted argument.

GTA lets you kill police officers. Ready to censor that?

 

[blaseblah]

What a profoundly shortsighted argument.

GTA lets you kill police officers. Ready to censor that?

The card was drawn by a racist, shows a guy in a klan outfit, you use it to kill creatures of other colors, has a Nazi hate symbol as it's id. You always manage to find yourself on the wrong side of the issue. I'd do some self reflecting if I were you.

 

[Madmick]

The card was drawn by a racist, shows a guy in a klan outfit, you use it to kill creatures of other colors, has a Nazi hate symbol as it's id. You always manage to find yourself on the wrong side of the issue. I'd do some self reflecting if I were you.

This could be creatures of any color in the game, and creature colors aren't analogous to race. You ought to learn something about the game.

It doesn't matter. I discussed the problematic issues more deeply in past posts.

No, he wasn't "literally" a Nazi. The illustrator happens to be a racist, but this is irrelevant. The card itself isn't advocating for the Nazi platform. It's referencing a post-Nazi history (the KKK) with its imagery to articulate the thematic nature of the spell. This is no different than cards with imagery of torture or evil demons. Often the spells are evil, yes. There are goblin cards that invoke terrorist bombers or kamikaze pilots.

Besides, if that is the concern, then they should have revoked all of his cards years ago-- not just this one. Meanwhile, remove the cards illustrated by anyone who was ever a Communist or supported Communists; anyone who was supporter or sympathizer of an extremist or terrorist group like Hamas/Hezbollah/ISIS, or perhaps even eco-terrorism like ELF & ALF; anyone who was the member of a gang like an MC club or the Mexican cartels; anyone who had a serious criminal past.

I'm aware of his ignominious personal politics. He has caused grief in the Magic community in the past. You seem confused what a "literal Nazi" is. They're almost all dead. Call him a Neo-Nazi or a white supremacist, that's fine. He's irrelevant.

Because again, if he is the issue, then they should target his illustrations, and recruit other illustrators to replace the illustration for those cards. The illustrators don't create the cards or playtest them. Meanwhile, if we set this benchmark, then every illustrator who has ever shared something on social media that is politically detestable should also be canceled. Communists. Palestinian terrorist sympathizers. Anti-American radicals. Not sure where we draw the line.

The content is the focus, and this is absurd. It makes no sense. It will do no more to eradicate racism than removing necromancy cards from the game would to eradicate zombies.

Yet you haven't even addressed the points I've made here.

Do you think people should be allowed to play evil characters in games? Do you think players should be allowed to kill cops or random civilians in games like GTA? When is choice afforded to the gamer off limits? When is imagery that may invoke a real history morally intolerable?

 

[Sturm]

I almost failed grade 8 because I was so obsessed with MTG. I started playing when 4th Edition, Ice Age and Homelands were released. I remember Baron Sengir was a cool card to have, but like most of Homelands, it was not a very effective card later on.

I started around mercadian masques and finished during onslaught. Had a vamp deck with baron sengir so bad ass

 

[shockaholic12]

Oh shit, I forgot to mention deflecting as the other move you guys always pull when defending your masters.

Thank you for finally admitting that the left find patriotism objectionable. Hatred of your own country is another on the long list of things you guys tried to flat out deny until being forced to finally admit. Why does it seem that every lefty is so ashamed of their own beliefs that you feel the need to lie until one of you says the quiet part out loud and then you finally come clean?

You just said yourself that the DOD paid millions for it, and the fans obviously didn't find it objectionable. That is not protesting their own country, and they were paying, not the ones being paid. The league is also government subsidized with stadiums built for them.

Do you disagree with both of these? You obviously disagree with the NFL telling their players not to protest the country of all the fans while at work, so are mobs strongarming companies to conform to their woke political ideology by removing TV shows and altering books and games also wrong, or is only the one that is anti-US ok?

The NFL president already changed his mind in what looked like a hostage video and said players are free to bash their country on the job. Since it's they're decisions and weren't forced or coerced, do you suppose all these corporate CEOs and company presidents all came to the same conclusion and became woke at exactly the same time?

You could get hysterical and jump to the conclusion that a half the country hates the country or you could take a deep breath and acknowledge people just realized how much tax money was being blown on overpriced stunts and decided you don't need to blow through millions of our tax dollars during sporting events that have fuck all to do with war to be patriotic to get folks to clap for a vet. Thus the Pentagon banned the practice and the NFL told teams to stop taking money for it.

So I guess in your state of constant spazzing out that means the pentagon hates patriotism and the country too.

The NFL can be as patriotic as it wants, it should just spend it's own money doing it and keep their fingers out of my wallet. because I don't think that's something you "buy". The fact you find that un-American makes you look like a sucker.

Kneeling silently during the anthem isn't a statement that you hate the entire country. There's plenty of military who fought for their country and voice their support for this type of protest. But again you think those vets hate patriotism because you're a spazz.

If the NFL wants to squash kneeling it can, it's a very bad business and moral choice though.

 

[blaseblah]

This could be creatures of any color in the game, and creature colors aren't analogous to race. You ought to learn something about the game.

It doesn't matter. I discussed the problematic issues more deeply in past posts.

Sure any color not your own, not just the dark colors. I'm sure that makes it all right. This is the hill you idiots want to die on. Defending Nazis and the KKK. And your excuse is but, but you can kill people in GTA!