Social MAGA 2025 Civil war incoming! Vivek Ramaswamy Betrays Base & reveals true colors, Says Americans SUCK !!

[Mr Holmes]

His statements are 100% real.

He was mimicking Tom Cruise's character from Tropic Thunder. So there was some level of trolling to it.

 

[Cartiac]

Are you fine with Elon Musk spending a 1/4 of a billion dollars to put a presidential candidate in his back pocket? How the fuck do you think we're going to fund, never mind expand social programs when the wealthy can buy politicians and we've a growing wealth disparity?

Sounds like you have no problem with the fact Democrats raised double the money the Trump Campaign did in their failed Kamala Harris Presidential appointment effort. With way more billionaire donors than Trump had as well. Get your head out of your ass and wake up dude.

 

[deviake]

Sounds like you have no problem with the fact Democrats raised double the money the Trump Campaign did in their failed Kamala Harris Presidential appointment effort. With way more billionaire donors than Trump had as well. Get your head out of your ass and wake up dude.

No, i hate it. Get your head out of your ass and stop being a presumptuous douche. I've been dog piled by liberals for criticizing the democrats for this and other issues

 

[Cartiac]

It does matter because different taxes have different upsides and downsides. Some are easier or harder to dodge, others create drag on the economy and dissuade productive activity while others have the opposite effect. In general income, capital gains, and corporate taxes create drag while land and estate taxes don't and so I find the latter two preferable to the others.

Very nicely stated. I would add that excessive taxation in one of those areas is very likely to result in the loss of revenue from that source and the others as well.

Washington State has already lost over a billion dollars with their stupid policies thinking they can just tax the fuck out of Jeff Bezos to fuel their personal greed. And how do you think those geniuses respond? Yep that's right, start working on looking for what is left for them to tax the fuck out of next.

 

[KeepingItReal]

Three people own more wealth than the bottom half is insane regardless of what nuance trolling, bad faith horse shit you try to come up with. Anyone who's remotely paid attention to history, trends, CEO pay, and just, lives, knows what's up. I don't care about your deflectionary, "what about?" bullshit. There's been an upward transfer of wealth and undermining of labor for decades. It's so well documented it's crazy.



You disputed nothing of what I said. You're fine with American companies undercutting labor and tax payers picking up the tab, you've already said as much but you play word games. That's why you speak in coded language and try to make this complicated and I'm direct. Because you're pro capital and anti-worker and you're trying pretzel yourself away from saying that outright, my position is direct and clear so I don't have to jiu-jitsu my positions. You can dispute it but you're against unions, you think we shouldn't "vindictive" toward billionaires, and you said you're fine with companies using visas to undercut labor, I've literally never seen you complain about wealthy interests buying politicians nor underpaying working and you ignore Elon asking for over 50 billion dollars in compensation when he already has over 100 billion whilst he lays off workers. That's also why you didn't answer me when I asked if Jack lied when I posted direct quotes from my own thread. It's called being full of shit.

If there is anything bad faith and horse shit, its the articles you read that claim these facts. While they may be facts, they intentionally skew statistics in the ways I already mentioned. Anyways what I said still stands and you haven't been able to refute any of it yet. However much this "upward transfer of wealth" might be, it still only equates to less the 4% of total wealth owned by the USA's billionaires, the other 96+% is owned by the other 99+% of the population.

 

[Soggust]

However much this "upward transfer of wealth" might be, it still only equates to less the 4% of total wealth owned by the USA's billionaires, the other 96+% is owned by the other 99+% of the population.

You are framing this like that's a reasonable number, but 800 people out of 350 MILLION (0.00023%) owning 4% of the nations wealth seems like a huge fuckin problem to me.

That's about 18,230 times richer than the average person and this is only billionaires. I assume the numbers get much worse if we said, say, 100m+

 

[PEB]

 

[ChosenOne]

He was mimicking Tom Cruise's character from Tropic Thunder. So there was some level of trolling to it.

is there trolling in their views below?

Trump says he's not changed his mind on H-1B visas as debate rages within MAGA coalition​

President-elect Donald Trump had previously promised to end the use of H-1B as a 'cheap labor program'​

What Trump and Elon and Vivek all agree on, is that for America to be great again, it requires LOTS of foreign workers with superior culture and work ethics to be brought in or America will FAIL in the global market place due to poor culture and work talent.

The issue with most Magats is that they look increasingly at people like Marjorie Greene, Lauren Boebert, and increasing cast of worse characters as the best people they can push in to leadership in all sectors of American life. Magats are dumb and thbink the dumb should lead us all.

Thankfully Trump and Elon and Vivek know we need to CHANGE American culture by bring in LOTS of superior culture others.

 

[Mr Holmes]

is there trolling in their views below?

You really love those guys.

 

[ChosenOne]

You really love those guys.

Magats really loved those guys.... until they didn't.

Seeing Magats prop up the guys you prove, every day now, you do not even like anymore, is very enjoyable.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Magats really loved those guys.... until they didn't.

Seeing Magats prop up the guys you prove, every day now, you do not even like anymore, is very enjoyable.

You've been worshiping a couple of "Magat" billionaires non-stop through out the thread to own the chuds. I really can't think of anything more pathetic

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes, and I'm sure there's a lot of regulatory stuff that goes with that to close those loopholes. When the corporate tax rate was above 90% they effectively paid 45%. I call it nuance trolling because ultimately they need the shit taxed out of them and a lotta loopholes need to be closed, I'm not a politician and I don't need to know every detail of every way to do so, I know the problems and the broad solutions.

If you're going to come at me with this energy I'm going to expect you to be informed, that you're not makes you look bad imo. It absolutely matters how we tax the rich because doing so in the wrong way can kill the goose before it lays enough golden eggs to pay for the social programs you want.

Give you an example you'll appreciate: Does someone need to understand every detail of the history of the Israel/Palestine situation to understand that history didn't begin on October 7th? That Israel has committed a lot of violence against the Palestinians including a now ongoing genocide? People in that thread who are pro-Israel nuance troll. It's getting hung up on details or starting arguments about relative minutia to obfuscate the greater discussion.

It is a good example because rabid leftists like you hurt the Palestinian cause with this kind of purity testing, lack of nuance, and belligerence.

I explained my position multiple times and you're not stupid. When a corporation exploits labor to the point where that person needs to utilize public services from layoffs, the shit Wal Mart gets up too, basically underpaying, etc and the public programs pick up the slack that is essentially the government subsidizing of corporate greed (the depressing of wages which contributes to that too), and that's not even mentioning the lobbying they do to get a favorable regulatory environment and lower their taxes. What the actual fuck about that is hard to understand. Did I type that out in mandarin? I'm not going to repeat myself. And, I'll remind you, you're for that and in following those views one could easily reach the conclusion that you think the wealthy business interests that partake in these practices and buy off politicians give a fuck about social safety nets as they're trying to undermining the government and buying it off.

Yes I know the talking point, leftists like you are mind numbingly predictable after all. I don't think it applies at all to what I'm saying though. I'm calling for direct cash transfers instead of programs like SNAP and Section 8 which constrain how the public can use their funds and keeps them stuck in their position, not to mention its less efficient anyway.

During the pandemic we had the era of quiet quitting and how did that happen? Because of large scale cash transfers which gave people enough financial security to be picky about which jobs they'll take. Of course we can't have benefits that robust in normal times but something similar to give people more of a cushion helps them avoid bad jobs. There's a reason that to this day Walmart has not returned to 24 hour operations and its because the labor market is much healthier and no one wants to work into the night at the pay rate Walmart can afford.

Edit: The same business interests that engage in these practices, ain't exactly fans of public programs.

But again you're arguing that they subsidize corporations so you're also against them.

This ties into getting money out of politics. You want social programs to be strong? Me too. Guess what powerful interests we're going to have to deal with to ensure they're strong, never mind getting a SPUHC system which would also empower workers (not stuck to jobs for healthcare) and make it easier to start businesses as the business owners wouldn't have to cover healthcare for their employees (though I think with a system like that there is a payroll tax for the system). And again, from my knowledge we're not lacking in tech workers, but even if we were, guess what would help with education? Free or at least cheap college. This stuff is all tangled together.

And yet here you are saying that when I argue for social programs I'm actually doing so because I love billionaires and hate workers, ignoring the logic of my argument and making sweeping assumptions about them based on your regurgitated talking points.

You say to your knowledge we're not lacking in tech workers but we are which shows that you're knowledge here is lacking. Not that I think that ultimately matters to you, my guess is you'd rather have a less productive economy with fewer immigrants than a more productive one where you have to endure the presence of Indians.

You think I'm a douche because I called you on your bullshit and I've not been polite to your recently. My charity and politeness only goes so far though.

I think you're a douche because you're righteously indignant while being confidently uninformed. Not an attractive combination.

You're soft on billionaires, you express flagrantly anti-labor views but then get butthurt when I call you anti-labor, not a single point of which you disagreed with because I quoted your own words and I also caught your boy Jack straight up lying and you ducked answering whether he lied as I quoted his own words which doesn't do wonders for your credibility. It's fine if you hold anti-labor positions, you said you're fine with companies undermining American labor to get cheaper labor from abroad, like bro, holy fuck that's anti-labor, and that's without getting into the ramifications of the exploitation of the global south. Just own it. It's fine. It's when you play this, "well no" game that it gets old quickly.

That you have the gall to talk about exploitation of the global South while arguing in favor of keeping immigrants out is rich. You're the leftist who is so anti-racist he ends up siding with racists against hard working immigrants who want to come here and contribute to our society because you have a "crabs in a bucket" mentality where you see them as taking from instead of contributing to our society.

As for my anti-labor stances, yes I am anti-union but that's because I think unions are a net negative and that there are better ways to get worker protections. I would rather the federal government mandate things like paid family leave for everyone instead of having a tiny % of union workers getting it at the expense of everyone else because they're also insisting on inefficient staffing procedures and resisting automation which hurts the quality of our public goods like docks and railways.

 

[deviake]

If you're going to come at me with this energy I'm going to expect you to be informed, that you're not makes you look bad imo. It absolutely matters how we tax the rich because doing so in the wrong way can kill the goose before it lays enough golden eggs to pay for the social programs you want.

It is a good example because rabid leftists like you hurt the Palestinian cause with this kind of purity testing, lack of nuance, and belligerence.

Yes I know the talking point, leftists like you are mind numbingly predictable after all. I don't think it applies at all to what I'm saying though. I'm calling for direct cash transfers instead of programs like SNAP and Section 8 which constrain how the public can use their funds and keeps them stuck in their position, not to mention its less efficient anyway.

During the pandemic we had the era of quiet quitting and how did that happen? Because of large scale cash transfers which gave people enough financial security to be picky about which jobs they'll take. Of course we can't have benefits that robust in normal times but something similar to give people more of a cushion helps them avoid bad jobs. There's a reason that to this day Walmart has not returned to 24 hour operations and its because the labor market is much healthier and no one wants to work into the night at the pay rate Walmart can afford.

But again you're arguing that they subsidize corporations so you're also against them.

And yet here you are saying that when I argue for social programs I'm actually doing so because I love billionaires and hate workers, ignoring the logic of my argument and making sweeping assumptions about them based on your regurgitated talking points.

You say to your knowledge we're not lacking in tech workers but we are which shows that you're knowledge here is lacking. Not that I think that ultimately matters to you, my guess is you'd rather have a less productive economy with fewer immigrants than a more productive one where you have to endure the presence of Indians.

I think you're a douche because you're righteously indignant while being confidently uninformed. Not an attractive combination.

That you have the gall to talk about exploitation of the global South while arguing in favor of keeping immigrants out is rich. You're the leftist who is so anti-racist he ends up siding with racists against hard working immigrants who want to come here and contribute to our society because you have a "crabs in a bucket" mentality where you see them as taking from instead of contributing to our society.

As for my anti-labor stances, yes I am anti-union but that's because I think unions are a net negative and that there are better ways to get worker protections. I would rather the federal government mandate things like paid family leave for everyone instead of having a tiny % of union workers getting it at the expense of everyone else because they're also insisting on inefficient staffing procedures and resisting automation which hurts the quality of our public goods like docks and railways.

Skimmed, all largely horse shit with the occasional putting words in my mouth or total nonsense like with the Palestinian comment, you said what you said, its done. I see why you're boys with that liar Jack. Shameless.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Skimmed, all largely horse shit with the occasional putting words in my mouth or total nonsense like with the Palestinian comment, you said what you said, its done. I see why you're boys with that liar Jack. Shameless.

Now that's what I call a sidestep.

 

[deviake]

Now that's what I call a sidestep.

Concession accepted.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This was from 7 years ago, good 60 minutes segment on it. It was reporting on it due to trump’s rhetoric during first presidency.

Will be interesting to see this play out. If Trump and Vance can deliver on great reform, etc, will only add to the populist MAGA movement.

 

[KeepingItReal]

You are framing this like that's a reasonable number, but 800 people out of 350 MILLION (0.00023%) owning 4% of the nations wealth seems like a huge fuckin problem to me.

That's about 18,230 times richer than the average person and this is only billionaires. I assume the numbers get much worse if we said, say, 100m+

I'm framing it that way because it is that way. There is no such thing as an average person. I'm sure the numbers are worse after $100m. Are you arguing that not only should billionaires not have so much wealth but entertainers and athletes and owners of smaller companies shouldn't have so much wealth either?

If we do a one time transfer of wealth from all the US billionaires for example that would equal about $18,000 a person for every person in the USA. Keep in mind you would get that one time and probably never again, because who would even want to work as a CEO of a company only to be stripped of all their wealth a few years later? Probably noone. Now according to some wealth statistics about 6% of Americans are millionaires and those hold assets of around $27 trillion. When you divide that wealth up amongst all Americans you get about another $80,000 per person, one time. Keep in mind, not many will want to be an professional entertainer or professional athlete or small company owner in the USA anymore because something about being stripped of all or most of your wealth has that effect on the general psyche of a population.


Secondly what is the value of forming all these opinions? Wasn't the whole point of forming a market system and having things be dictated by supply and demand so that we don't rely on someone opinion of how much any of us "should" be paid? If people are so envious of all these billionaires then why haven't they jumped through all the hoops necessary to become billionaires themselves? If they aren't willing to jump through those hoops but just want to get paid more in their current position, that is just pure laziness.

 

[ChosenOne]

You've been worshiping a couple of "Magat" billionaires non-stop through out the thread to own the chuds. I really can't think of anything more pathetic

it is enjoyable to see the guys you vested so much hope in and thought were your saviours mock you as stupid and needing saving by LOTS of foreign brown people which they are committing to bringing in whether you like it or not.

So if you want to pretend you now enjoy that, i will pretend you do to...

 

[Strychnine]

He was mimicking Tom Cruise's character from Tropic Thunder. So there was some level of trolling to it.

I'm not rolling with anyone who puts down the American working person.

Funk that.

 

[White Whale]

Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

Mark Rabin, a former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature.

www.industryweek.com

Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

The Max softwareーplagued by issues that could keep the planes grounded months longer after U.S. regulators this week revealed a new flawーwas developed at a time Boeing was laying off experienced engineers and pressing suppliers to cut costs.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospaceーnotably India.

Boeing has had crashes, doors fly off planes and they use H1-B visas paying them $9 an hour. I would like Vivek and Elon to address this but they won't.