*Machida vindicates TMA (Karate)*

snoop dogg said:
because only karate uses headkicks
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People think there are no elbows in TKD too. Elbows are only in Muay Thai they say. There are no elbows allowed in TKD competition but they practice elbows in forms and drills all the time especially if they are higher level.

All the styles actually practice very similar kicks. There are only slight variations and variations are taught in TMA. Muay Thai does spinning kicks just like TMA do.
 
XenonRadon said:
Training methods, techniques, and philosophy are the characteristics that define a martial art.

Machida's training methods are primarily MMA, and his striking technique is hybrid karate/MMA. As I posted earlier, his KO of Munoz was a hybrid mawashi-geri and dutch-style Muay Thai kick. It was not a pure karate kick, nor are most of his techniques.
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Ummm...guess you don't know that karate includes variations of the basic round kick. Karate has all the techniques Muay Thai does and probably more depending on the style or school. That looked like a plain old roundhouse kick to the head. I trained in TKD and HKD and that's how I kick. I was taught different variations for different purposes and to attack different pressure points. They also teach variations to confuse the opponent to think they are throwing a different kick. You know you can find the same exact techniques in many different martial arts. If you don't advance to a high level in some traditional arts you won't be exposed or even see all the techniques that art offers. Machida is a Karate Master (4th Degree Black Belt) and he knows all the techniques for his style.
 
Nicslagan said:
Ummm...guess you don't know that karate includes variations of the basic round kick. Karate has all the techniques Muay Thai does and probably more depending on the style or school. That looked like a plain old roundhouse kick to the head. I trained in TKD and HKD and that's how I kick. I was taught different variations for different purposes and to attack different pressure points. They also teach variations to confuse the opponent to think they are throwing a different kick. You know you can find the same exact techniques in many different martial arts. If you don't advance to a high level in some traditional arts you won't be exposed or even see all the techniques that art offers. Machida is a Karate Master (4th Degree Black Belt) and he knows all the techniques for his style.
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The reason Muay Thai has been successful and proven has more to do with training methods and "aliveness"....there are so many variations of techniques within Muay Thai as well....so many variations of the teep, variations of round kick even....between different camps in Thailand.

In the end, MT is successful because it continually tests itself and adopts. It is akin to a swimming lessons where you actually swim in the baby pool, pool and then the ocean. Many other traditional striking arts went from posing outside the pool to swimming in the baby pool....but stopped there.
 
A. Machida is a phenomenal athlete, and the exception to the rule in that regard.

B. TMAs aren't useless, they're just incomplete. If you combine TKD or Karate with the elemental pugilistic styles, you've got yourself a very complete striker. But Karate or TKD alone will always get blown away by Thai boxing or Dutch kickboxing.
 
ZERO THEORY said:
A. Machida is a phenomenal athlete, and the exception to the rule in that regard.

B. TMAs aren't useless, they're just incomplete. If you combine TKD or Karate with the elemental pugilistic styles, you've got yourself a very complete striker. But Karate or TKD alone will always get blown away by Thai boxing or Dutch kickboxing.
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Agreed.
 
Nicslagan said:
Another guy that vindicates point fighting is Michael "Venom" Paige.

Here is a link to the article and video.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/436417/Michael-Paige-pioneering-point-fighting-in-MMA/

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Even though I love his style, and am as my sig indicates a fan, the jury is still out on whether he can make his style work against elite competition. Not really proof of much at this point.
I do however think the "point fighting style", as long as you actually have some power and are well rounded enough, is a great style to have as you are able to avoid a lot of punishment and be a frustrating opponent. The problem is that it also requires a lot of speed, timing and athleticism and most fighters probably couldn't make it work, which is why I suspect we won't be seeing many pure stylists in the UFC.
 
snoop dogg said:
georges is a karate guy too. stahp
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Karate is not really how he wins fights though, and generally isn't considered a karate stylist. Many fighters started in a TMA, but then supercede that disciplin with a lot of other disciplines. Machida hasn't, he uses other arts to enable his main one. In that sense, GSP is more of a wrestler, since he uses karate and other styles to supplement his wrestling.
 
flanellograf said:
Karate is not really how he wins fights though, and generally isn't considered a karate stylist. Many fighters started in a TMA, but then supercede that disciplin with a lot of other disciplines. Machida hasn't, he uses other arts to enable his main one. In that sense, GSP is more of a wrestler, since he uses karate and other styles to supplement his wrestling.
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This.
 
KarateKickbox22 said:
Yeah and he uses his karate to take people down and lay on top of them for five rounds. Big difference.
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Have you not heard gsp talk about his karate helping his takedowns?

The movement, the in and out, the covering of distance to close the gap. Gsp has stated its all karate and people dont even see it.
 
DVN said:
Have you not heard gsp talk about his karate helping his takedowns?

The movement, the in and out, the covering of distance to close the gap. Gsp has stated its all karate and people dont even see it.
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You thought I was being sarcastic. I wasn't kidding when I said he uses his karate to take people down. He is p4p one of the best fighters the UFC has ever seen and I think he is a good guy. I just don't enjoy his fights that much because of the way he utilizes his karate for takedowns and then he is content with side control and never seems to go for the finish at all. But that's just my opinion.
 
Machida is the quintessential karate fighter. Add the sumo to prevent TD and he's been a superior MMA fighter.
 
Georges reminds me of van damm so much it's crazy!!! Lol I wanted to be like him until I got into boxing and wrestling.
 
This is a cool point in MMA evolution. When the Gracies' hit in 1993, TMA had become untested/watered down arts and that allowed BJJ to easily roll through them which in turn created MMA. Which proved itself to better a better style than BJJ alone. With the creation and popularity of MMA, this forced TMA practioners to look back to the true roots of their arts and find the techniques and training methods that made it functional before it became watered down. Now flash forward, you are seeing MMA fights with fighters with TMA bases starting to incorporate the once believed useless TMA techniques in MMA with surprising success. Karate being one.
 
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