*Machida vindicates TMA (Karate)*

[THECYNDlCATE]

Check this thread out. You will realize you made a mistake.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/30-successful-karate-fighters-mma-1040386/

Why? Because I said it was a good point?

Very transparent.

 

[DonkeyKong]

Certainly, but remember that

1. He is the son of a karate master, he didn't go to a McDojo
2. His family's style involves a lot of full contact sparring
3. He trained in jiu jitsu since a young age

 

[Nicslagan]

many people look at the basic movements from forms in karate and think that is how karate practitioners fight. They judge karate and other tma based on this. They are even worse with Kung Fu.

These arts were designed to be used to protect your country, your city, your town, your village, your family, and your own life and pride. What is more important a sanctioned MMA fight in a cage or the above mentioned reasons? To think that people think martial arts with origins dated back when hand to hand combat was more needed than today are useless is ludicrous. These TMA contain so many useful techniques that haven't even been seen in MMA and others that never will be because of the rules. Karate and TMA work in real life and MMA.

TMA are "traditional". Fraternities are traditional. The new student "makes a pledge" and is hazed by the black belts and instructors. There are things told to beginners that aren't true because they want the new "pledge" to learn to think for himself. The new student has to go though this "hazing" to get his black belt. This is why the average onlooker will think karate doesn't work. They have been making fools of people for centuries and still are doing it today...tradition.

Karate dominates MMA like....wait for it...

 

[Nicslagan]

A list of karate practitioners in MMA.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61...s-mma-1040386/

The training is great for MMA.

 

[Nicslagan]

Why? Because I said it was a good point?

Very transparent.

I was talking to the guy who originally made the statement so don't get butt hurt. If you follow the link you will see all the karate practitioners in MMA. I feel like Kramer dominating the dojo today. You guys with no TMA experience make it easy.

 

[Nicslagan]

Certainly, but remember that

1. He is the son of a karate master, he didn't go to a McDojo
2. His family's style involves a lot of full contact sparring
3. He trained in jiu jitsu since a young age

read these links.

http://martialarts.about.com/od/topmmalists/tp/Top-5-Traditional-Martial-Artists-In-Mma-Today.htm

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/30-successful-karate-fighters-mma-1040386/

In lots of TMA you start off with safer rules for a fight and progress into less rules (full contact) when you get higher in the art....black belt degrees....This makes it safer to practice. Safety and health is a significant concept in lots of TMA. Lots of good dojos seem like McDojo because they are judged by the beginning curriculum and not by their entire curriculum. Their entire curriculum isn't shown to lower belts or onlookers.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I was talking to the guy who originally made the statement so don't get butt hurt. If you follow the link you will see all the karate practitioners in MMA. I feel like Kramer dominating the dojo today. You guys with no TMA experience make it easy.

Yes, in general, you do try something out before you know for a fact that it's useless in real combat. So just because certain fighters took part in some TMA training, doesn't mean they endorse or use it at all.

 

[Spath]

Judges score it 10-9, 10-9 and 10-9 for the winner by unanimous decision - Taekwondo guy!

 

[Nicslagan]

The Karate that Machida does IS NOT "American TMA Karate" full of ritualistic nonsense - Machida's Karate is real, old school, hardcore, full contact Karate - the way it used to be before it ended up in strip malls with 8 year old blackbelts.

Don't be jealous because an 8 year old learned all the curriculum up to black belt and you haven't...lol. The kids classes are a little different than the adult classes. If an 8 year old did karate 5 days every week since he was 4 what is wrong with honoring him with a black belt?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

judges score it 10-9, 10-9 and 10-9 for the winner by unanimous decision - taekwondo guy!

lol!!!

Maybe you should add a (not really) to your statement before someone takes it seriously, lol.

 

[campbecc]

why would people make jokes about tma? everyone has to do at least 1 tma to be somehow a decent mma fighter.

my trainer told me that bjj for example is a tma everyone learns and every gym has a bjj instructor.

also we learn a lot of basics taekwondo tricks, most are kicks and some selfdefence, ur stance, the bounce etc.

most people mean martial arts aside from boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, sambo, BJJ and maybe Judo when they say TMA. All but sambo and BJJ are really old so they should be called traditional.

So you don't need to know a "TMA" to be an MMA fighter most don't. Not to say that some people don't use the other martial arts effectively as part of their fighting style.

 

[90 50]

Because most mcdojo's frown upon actually trying to train.

Go even 1/2 speed in most and you'll get kicked out.

You have to bounce around to a bunch of them to find one that goes hard.

It's not the art, it's the way it's done a lot here

 

[Nicslagan]

Yes, in general, you do try something out before you know for a fact that it's useless in real combat. So just because certain fighters took part in some TMA training, doesn't mean they endorse or use it at all.

This video means nothing. This is just a spectacle like UFC 1. We know nothing from this video...size, weight, how long each trained, experience, level of athleticism, etc. The same kicks the Thai fighter used in this video are taught in TKD/HKD. It is proven that TMA bases are very helpful for fighters in their path to becoming a martial artist.

TMA are very useful in combat. Sometimes people's brains are useless in forums.

 

[Bad Romance]

Why aren't boxing, wresting and muay thai considered to be tma? They've been around for thousands of years, much longer than judo, karate or tkd.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

This video means nothing. This is just a spectacle like UFC 1. We know nothing from this video...size, weight, how long each trained, experience, level of athleticism, etc. The same kicks the Thai fighter used in this video are taught in TKD/HKD. It is proven that TMA bases are very helpful for fighters in their path to becoming a martial artist.

TMA are very useful in combat. Sometimes people's brains are useless in forums.

Yes,.. a video of a REAL fight, where two guys of high level in each of their artforms, fighting each other,... shows nothing.

Nice try with the No True Scotsmen argument, but it failed.

The video is a legit video of a real contest at a real event with two guys using only their discipline, with the TKD guy getting absolutely dominated. The guy has his belt on, so you should know from that, what level he is.

The only way a TMA is useful in MMA, is for showing off, once you have a good solid base in everything else.

If you have good wrestling and can defend the takedown, that helps.
If you have good BJJ and can defend submissions, that helps.

If you understand boxing and some good kickboxing, that helps with your footwork, avoidance and setups.

Then and only then, MAYBE you can use a TKD move or a Karate move,.. just to be an asshole and show off.

Nothing about it is practical or useful in anyway, period. and If you don't have anything else down, you are going to look foolish,.. just like the guy in the video.

Using a TMA as a "base" is even more outlandish.

 

[ranjitbasnet]

Good thinkin

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Then and only then, MAYBE you can use a TKD move or a Karate move,.. just to be an asshole and show off.

Nothing about it is practical or useful in anyway, period. and If you don't have anything else down, you are going to look foolish,.. just like the guy in the video.

Using a TMA as a "base" is even more outlandish.

lets play guess whos the teenager trying to show us all how legit he is:icon_chee

 

[Hanoi Rox]

Pettis is another one that says his base in TKD.

TMA is just as relevant as the other disciplines in MMA.

Anderson Silva also got his start in TKD. It's not like all arts are created equal. There are WAY more guys with BJJ, Wrestling, and Muay Thai backgrounds in the UFC than guys with TMA backgrounds.

 

[Kulspruta]

Yes,.. a video of a REAL fight, where two guys of high level in each of their artforms, fighting each other,... shows nothing.

Nice try with the No True Scotsmen argument, but it failed.

The video is a legit video of a real contest at a real event with two guys using only their discipline, with the TKD guy getting absolutely dominated. The guy has his belt on, so you should know from that, what level he is.

The only way a TMA is useful in MMA, is for showing off, once you have a good solid base in everything else.

If you have good wrestling and can defend the takedown, that helps.
If you have good BJJ and can defend submissions, that helps.

If you understand boxing and some good kickboxing, that helps with your footwork, avoidance and setups.

Then and only then, MAYBE you can use a TKD move or a Karate move,.. just to be an asshole and show off.

Nothing about it is practical or useful in anyway, period. and If you don't have anything else down, you are going to look foolish,.. just like the guy in the video.

Using a TMA as a "base" is even more outlandish.

A black belt tells you very little on someone's fighting ability. The term shodan (for a first degree black belt), means literally the first/beginning step!
I'll give it to you that the Taekwondo practitioner doesn't look that bad. But not every single martial art in the world was developed for the same single purpose. Not every single martial art is meant to be used in a ring, or as a sport. Some are not even made to fight in real life. But underestimating the uses of each one of them only shows your ignorance towards them.
As a sanshou practitioner/hobbyist for years, I've learned to appreciate traditional Wushu and the Dao. Every single sanshou fighter I've met that came from more traditional forms of kung fu have a very distinct differential.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

A black belt tells you very little on someone's fighting ability. The term shodan (for a first degree black belt), means literally the first/beginning step!
I'll give it to you that the Taekwondo practitioner doesn't look that bad. But not every single martial art in the world was developed for the same single purpose. Not every single martial art is meant to be used in a ring, or as a sport. Some are not even made to fight in real life. But underestimating the uses of each one of them only shows your ignorance towards them.
As a sanshou practitioner/hobbyist for years, I've learned to appreciate traditional Wushu and the Dao. Every single sanshou fighter I've met that came from more traditional forms of kung fu have a very distinct differential.

I don't think I under-estimate anything. I pretty much laid out the only way it works in MMA. If you have wrestling, BJJ, boxing/kickboxing down,.. THEN you can apply TMA moves into your moveset and you MIGHT be successful with it. Really, saying anything else is delusional.