Lorenzo destroying FPWs (Fighter Pay Warriors)

[rjmbrd]

Genius, there has never been a 'vacuum of competition'. That's a lie anti-Zuffa ignoramuses tell to push the narrative that the UFC is a monopoly. There are always dozens of organizations in existence at any given period. Alternative opportunities for fighters didn't magically become a thing once Viacom purchased Belator. Ben Askren, one of the most boring fighters in the sport, was able to sign with ONE and make a nice fortune fighting cans overseas.

'Good day Sir'

You're a child.

So you've posted 1,200+ times in 35 days, thats literally 36 posts every day if you go all seven days a week.

How is it possible you can have anything thoughtful to say when posting like that?

What is life like in your parents basement?

You cannot be taken seriously.

Cheers

 

[Coolidge]

So you've posted 1,200+ times in 35 days, thats literally 36 posts every day if you go all seven days a week.

How is it possible you can have anything thoughtful to say when posting like that?

What is life like in your parents basement?

Cheers

Lashing out at me isn't going to substitute the argument you're lacking. You're a Diaz fan, I see, which puts this all into perspective. Nick Diaz tends to appeal to the lowest of society: victim-mongers and people of the socialist mindset.

 

[Coolidge]

Belator being purchased by Viacom and now run via Scott Coker is a new paradigm shift. I

You couldn't get any cornier. This hyperbole doesn't mesh with reality. Their biggest scalp thus far (not including Bjorn era's Rampage, who wants nothing to do with Bellator at this point) has been Benson Henderson, who doesn't even draw flies. The event with Benson Henderson actually underperformed in the numbers. Rory McDonald doesn't draw, either. The UFC's top 10 list doesn't magically stop just because 'x' fighter decides to jump ship. A newer, more talented fighter always emerges.

 

[rjmbrd]

You couldn't get any cornier. This hyperbole doesn't mesh with reality. Their biggest scalp thus far has been Benson Henderson, who doesn't even draw flies. The event with Benson Henderson actually underperformed in the numbers. Rory McDonald doesn't draw, either. The UFC's top 10 list doesn't magically stop just because 'x' fighter decides to jump ship. A newer, more talented fighter always emerges.

Just so we can fully flesh out what a ding-dong you are - you propose that Rory MacDonald will suddenly lose his talent as a top 10 fighter, because he signs outside the UFC?

I'm aware nobody stays top 10 forever, but what you wrote is stupid at face value.

 

[Rational Poster]

The issue is the distribution. Doing the following:
Fighter 1 - $5,900,000
Fighter 2 - $80,000
Fighter 3 - $20,000

Dana - We pay our guys an average of $2,000,000 a year you goofs. What can we do?

You should check out boxing, where you have fighters making $2k (or less) fighting on cards with guys making $10M+

 

[Coolidge]

Just so we can fully flesh out what a ding-dong you are - you propose that Rory MacDonald will suddenly lose his talent as a top 10 fighter, because he signs outside the UFC?

I'm aware nobody stays top 10 forever, but what you wrote is stupid at face value.

Talent without the UFC apparatus means little. The most popular Bellator fighter -- the one predominantly featured in their marketing -- is a 42 year old street fighter that gasses within a minute of fighting. Fans pay to watch the UFC largely because of the perception that they have the best talent in the world, not necessarily because it's true.

 

[Rational Poster]

Talent without the UFC apparatus means little. The most popular Bellator fighter -- the one predominantly featured in their marketing -- is a 42 year old street fighter that gasses within a minute of fighting. Fans pay to watch the UFC largely because of the perception that they have the best talent in the world, not necessarily because it's true.

The anti-Zuffa crowd is just clinging on to Rory now that Benson got his ass beat HARD by some guy they never even heard of.

 

[Coolidge]

This is woefully inaccurate.

Ronda Rousey, Yoel Romero, Henry Cejudo, Sara McMann, Ronda Rousey, Daniel Cormier, Hector Lombard, Fredy Serrano, Dan Kelly, Bilyal Makhov, etc. all competed in the Olympics. Yes, it is accurate for me to say that the UFC has signed a number of Olympic athletes. The fact that the UFC hasn't signed the number/percentage of Olympic-level athletes that you think they should is neither here nor there. The greatest MMA fighter in the world, Jon Jones, didn't need Olympic credentials to make light-work of Daniel Cormier, by the way.

 

[Coolidge]

The anti-Zuffa crowd is just clinging on to Rory now that Benson got his ass beat HARD by some guy they never even heard of.

I'll give this post a half like, because I'm a big Benson fan and hated to see that happen. But you're absolutely right. They cling to the private parts of anyone that they perceive to be a threat to UFC status quo, be it Ben Askren, Cung Le, Rampage, Tito, Ben Henderson, or now Rory McDonald.

 

[Rational Poster]

I'll give this post a half like, because I'm a big Benson fan and hated to see that happen. But you're absolutely right. They cling to the private parts of anyone that they perceive to be a threat to UFC status quo, be it Ben Askren, Cung Le, Rampage, Tito, Ben Henderson, or now Rory McDonald.

It was such a righteous beatdown though..

 

[chiefwiggum]

Google it
It is not exactly news & has been all over Sherdog for months

I googled 15% report and there was nothing on the ufc...

 

[BerserkPanda]

I'm pretty sure most of the informed fans are aware of this, but here is Lorenzo himself spilling the beans on what the UFC is actually making. According to him 2015 was a record year for the UFC. He said the company generated $600m in revenue in 2015. Lorenzo then goes on to point out that the UFC has to pay for promoting and staging all of their shows. It would be reasonable to assume that about half of all revenue goes to pay for business expenses. That leaves about $300m, or maybe less considering I don't know what the UFC's tax situation is like. If one were being reasonable it would be safe to assume the UFC in their best year made about $250m in pure profit. So when you add that to the fact they pay about $100m in fighter salaries and bonuses every year, it would be fucking mental to claim they aren't paying fighters fairly. So I Hope the FPWs chill out already.

Dude wtf are you trolling...

 

[BerserkPanda]

You can't unionize independent contracts unfortunately.

I think someone like DC/GsP could form a first mma fighters union

 

[Rational Poster]

I think someone like DC/GsP could form a first mma fighters union

There will never be a union in any combat sport.

The top fighters don't want an even playing field because they like winning and all the advantages they can muster.

 

[chiefwiggum]

I think someone like DC/GsP could form a first mma fighters union

They would clean out the roster, reload it and everyone would believe they are better than whatever org would pick.up the ex ufcers

 

[HaterSlayer]

MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.

They make significantly more in revenue than the UFC. So that is why those athletes are paid more. The Fox deal is $100 mil per year. Directv pays over $100 mil PER MONTH to the NFL for Sunday Ticket. That's why league minimum in the NFL is $350K.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

It's an issue to a degree. The revenue generator should obviously be making more.

However, using the same example (5.9 mil, 80k, 20k) I don't think it would hurt the guy at the top if the numbers were Bernie Sanders-ed a bit to attract more competition to the sport.
Such as... 5.8 mil, 120k, 80k.

I am all for fighter pay increases but I disagree with this. Why should the fighter who is working hard to promote the event and sell it have to give money because the UFC doesn't want to give them more? The UFC and Reebok should be making up the difference and not the top fighters.

 

[yeguiza]

lorenzo destroying conor´s excuse for ducking nate

 

[gotBooched]

If TS numbers are right UFC could teach a thing or two about how to operate a business....

 

[KillingJoke]

They make significantly more in revenue than the UFC. So that is why those athletes are paid more. The Fox deal is $100 mil per year. Directv pays over $100 mil PER MONTH to the NFL for Sunday Ticket. That's why league minimum in the NFL is $350K.

Their revenue is much more but the NFL split yearly revenue evenly between all 32 teams. I think the Packers made the most last year with like just over 350 million. The Lakers were the NBA's highest revenue team with around 300 million itself. I think the UFC can pay their fighters a bit better than they do now, especially the lower tier fighters.