Lorenzo destroying FPWs (Fighter Pay Warriors)

[DontWaitUp]

Exactly. no one forces them to sign anything. You have to work your way up if you want to earn more. UFC pay enough out.

 

[IntelligenceQuo]

They aren't paying fighters fairly. This isn't about Conor. This is about business. The top screw the bottom.

Careful. There aren't any safe spaces in Sherdog. Pansy.

 

[DontWaitUp]

Careful. There aren't any safe spaces in Sherdog. Pansy.

 

[Coolidge]

The issue is the distribution. Doing the following:
Fighter 1 - $5,900,000
Fighter 2 - $80,000
Fighter 3 - $20,000

Dana - We pay our guys an average of $2,000,000 a year you goofs. What can we do?

That's not an issue. If you're getting a 5 million dollar purse, odds are you're generating the revenue to justify it.

 

[Corleone187]

One might call him a "promoter"
It's unbelievable that Dana would try to sell something doesn't seem like his job does it !? What a moron haha

There are 2 ways to convince people when talking

Lorenzo is a guy that convinces not by the tonal way he talks but by facts he talks with (he's not monotone but his tone is always consistent)

Dana tries to convince you by the tonal WAY he talks. (he'll try and emphasize every 2nd or 3rd word - very annoying)

No one with half a brain would be convinced merely by the tonal way a person tries to talk, void of any facts.

Listen to how Dana talks and how the guy in this video talk - the same. And very annoying to someone with a brain!

 

[Cygnus-X]

They aren't paying fighters fairly. This isn't about Conor. This is about business. The top screw the bottom.

No. The underpaid fighters are guys like Conor, GSP, Brock, Anderson, Ronda and a few others. They are the ones who actually draw money and probably get far less than they should considering how much revenue they generate. Some prelim guy that gets paid 10k didn't even generate half that for the UFC.

 

[Toxxus]

That's not an issue. If you're getting a 5 million dollar purse, odds are you're generating the revenue to justify it.

It's an issue to a degree. The revenue generator should obviously be making more.

However, using the same example (5.9 mil, 80k, 20k) I don't think it would hurt the guy at the top if the numbers were Bernie Sanders-ed a bit to attract more competition to the sport.
Such as... 5.8 mil, 120k, 80k.

 

[Coolidge]

It's an issue to a degree. The revenue generator should obviously be making more.

However, using the same example (5.9 mil, 80k, 20k) I don't think it would hurt the guy at the top if the numbers were Bernie Sanders-ed a bit to attract more competition to the sport.
Such as... 5.8 mil, 120k, 80k.

They employ 500 fighters last time I checked. The current model has produced the likes of Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Chris Weidman, Jon Jones, GSP, Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor, Holly Holm, Dominick Cruz, and more. They're not exactly starving for top tier talent. They've even signed a number of Olympians and so called 'A-level athletes' with NFL/NBA-esque athleticism and physique. This is all about punishing a wealthy corporation, just with the additional pretense of improving the sport's talent. Sanders is a goof.

 

[Toxxus]

They employ 500 fighters last time I checked. The current model has produced the likes of Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Chris Weidman, Jon Jones, GSP, Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor, Holly Holm, Dominick Cruz, and more. They're not exactly starving for top tier talent. They've even signed a number of Olympians and so called 'A-level athletes' with NFL/NBA-esque athleticism and physique. This is all about punishing a wealthy corporation, just with the additional pretense of improving the sport's talent. Sanders is a goof.

There's no punishment to the company. The cost of employmees is net neutral. It's just distributed a little less lopsidedly.

We are in agreement on our perception of Bernie.

 

[rjmbrd]

The UFC doesn't have a business without fighters, and the fighters don't have a payday without the UFC. They have a relationship of reciprocity.

Estimating that fighters - (one half the equation of the UFC being an actual business) get 15% of gross revenues is a bad deal at face value.

This is only possible 1) in environment where Zuffa is able to pay their employees like independent contracts but hold them to the standard of an employee where 2) there is a noted lack of competition in the market place.

We might very well see one of the greatest welterweights of this generation - perennially ranked top 10 fighter and title challenger Rory MacDonald end up in Bellator, in his prime.

Who will say a $60 PPV that co-headlines Rory in a title fight makes sense @ 59k pay?

Change is a slow moving process but there are only a few logical outcomes:

1) Zuffa will continue to lose important fighters thus the top 10 ranks splinter

2) Fighters form an association to advocate on their behalf collectively

3) Zuffa will increase the fighter % of revenues

 

[Coolidge]

This is only possible 1) in environment where Zuffa is able to pay their employees like independent contracts but hold them to the standard of an employee where 2) there is a noted lack of competition in the market place.

We might very well see one of the greatest welterweights of this generation - perennially ranked top 10 fighter and title challenger Rory MacDonald end up in Bellator, in his prime.

Impossible. There's a lack of competition in the market place.

 

[rjmbrd]

They've even signed a number of Olympians and so called 'A-level athletes' with NFL/NBA-esque athleticism and physique. This is all about punishing a wealthy corporation, just with the additional pretense of improving the sport's talent. Sanders is a goof.

This is woefully inaccurate.

In the ranks of 205 - 265 it is shocking how few elite wrestlers from the NCAA and the international scene have entered MMA. Cormier and Cejudo were Olympians nearly a decade ago. Cejudo entered MMA after failing to make the team in 2012, Cormier entered MMA after failing to make weight and even compete.

Each year, we crown 8 new All American NCAA wrestlers. Think about that - just in the last two years, that is 16 new elite collegiate wrestlers at heavyweight, who have an elite skill set that is arguably the best base in MMA.

We've had two NCAA heavyweight champions become champions in MMA - Brock Lesnar and Cole Konrad. Both entered MMA as an absolute last resort, trying out for the NFL first with the Vikings and Jets respectively. Cole left the sport undefeated to work a regular job.

That is how bad the risk -vs- reward is in MMA right now. You have far more All-American NCAA heavyweights teaching high school gym for 40k a year than fighting in MMA.

If you are the size of a 205lbs or 265lbs athlete, you will attempt to make it in any other pro sport before resorting to a run at a UFC career. Washed up football players like Schaub and Mitrione were on their second and third athletic careers and made it to the highest level.

That is simply not possible in other pro sports, because they attract better athletes.

 

[rjmbrd]

Impossible. There's a lack of competition in the market place.

That is what I wrote verbatim in my post.

Are you trolling ?

Competition from Bellator is a relatively new thing vying for high level MMA fighters, let alone in any type of quantity that would make an impact.

 

[Coolidge]

That is what I wrote verbatim in my post.

Are you trolling ?

My point exactly. You're a tad slow. The two ideas contradict.

 

[rjmbrd]

My point exactly. You're a tad slow. The two ideas contradict.

You are a ding-dong, which is OK, but it makes it less entertaining when you enter the thread under the pretense of intelligent discussion.

I'll go slower for you, and number it:

1) the current field has developed in a vacuum of competition

2) because competition from Belator in a level and quantity of impact is a new thing

3) thus change is happening, albeit slowly

4) the UFC will react by letting A-list talent like Rory MacDonald go, or they will pay him more

 

[Coolidge]

You are a ding-dong, which is OK, but it makes it less entertaining when you enter the thread under the pretense of intelligent discussion.

I'll go slower for you, and number it:

1) the current field has developed in a vacuum of competition

2) because competition from Belator in a level and quantity of impact is a new thing

3) thus change is happening, albeit slowly

4) the UFC will react by letting A-list talent like Rory MacDonald go, or they will pay him more

You claimed the market is lacking competition, then proceeded to tell us that the UFC is at risk of losing Rory McDonald to their...competition.

You're brilliant.

 

[rjmbrd]

You claimed the market is lacking competition, then proceeded to tell us that the UFC is at risk of losing Rory McDonald to their...competition.

You're brilliant.

No, you just don't posses reading comprehension.

The market developed in a vacuum of competition. You are aware Zuffa has been in business for longer than this past year, right?

Belator being purchased by Viacom and now run via Scott Coker is a new paradigm shift. It is slowly disrupting the marketplace. That is the entire point of my post.

You're a complete ding-dong but this is what happens when you respond to new dogs with a thousand posts in the last month. You're busy posting anything for the sake of it.

Good day Sir.

I SAID GOOD DAY.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/19/9648588/what-investors-are-being-told-about-ufc-earnings

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/...odys-and-standard-poors-tell-us-about-the-ufc

 

[Coolidge]

No, you just don't posses reading comprehension.

The market developed in a vacuum of competition. You are aware Zuffa has been in business for longer than this past year, right?

Belator being purchased by Viacom and now run via Scott Coker is a new paradigm shift. It is slowly disrupting the marketplace. That is the entire point of my post.

You're a complete ding-dong but this is what happens when you respond to new dogs with a thousand posts in the last month. You're busy posting anything for the sake of it.

Good day Sir.

I SAID GOOD DAY.

There has never been a 'vacuum of competition'. That's a lie anti-Zuffa ignoramuses tell to push the narrative that the UFC is a monopoly. There are always dozens of organizations in existence at any given period. Alternative opportunities for fighters didn't magically become a thing once Viacom purchased Belator. Ben Askren, one of the most boring fighters in the sport, was able to sign with ONE and make a nice fortune fighting cans overseas.

 

[FootstompShonie]

MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.

I'm all for more fighter pay and think it's much too low...but literally one NFL/NBA team makes more money than the entire UFC lmao you shouldn't compare them.