Lorenzo destroying FPWs (Fighter Pay Warriors)

[MasterNinjaRat]

I don't know about the reasons why Lorenzo decided to come out with this, but im getting a feeling he's saying that not everyone can be paid red panty money. But getting paid fairly and getting red panty money are two different things.

 

[FrankieNYC]

Why don't these fighters beat up the Fertitas and Dana and take their money? I'd watch.

As stupid as that was, it legit made me lol

 

[MRT]

MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.

don't those points actually support the opposite conclusion? those are sources of revenue for pro sports teams. It is not a 'cost' to be on network tv, or a negative to own your venue (unless it is poorly operated lol).

I'm def not saying the fighters are compensated fairly...I think most are not. The UFC is still very much a small fish in the overall sports market though, and It isn't even close. The NFL's TV deals alone are worth over 3 billion...never mind total league and team revenues.

 

[HIMBOB]

It has to be revenue based as you state. Hollywood is the worst, but all businesses can make things look worse from a profits stand point. Hollywood is known for this. Hell the lord of the rings movies probably haven't made a profit yet according to New Line, which is why they were sued by tolkiens family. but that's off topic.

Apple Australia made $1 profit for each $100 revenue......apparently.

 

[Number1StockBroker]

Well your $100 million figure is closer than that nitwit that said the pay less than $15 million a year to all fighters combined

But they can still pay fighters more (over-all)

LOL. I am all for improving fighter pay but even I was perplexed how he came with that figure. I was thinking to myself is this guy a fucking retard? Does he not know that Conor alone made close to 20 million that year? Where is he getting his figures from? Up his ass? Bottom line that guy was a fucking retard, .

Aldo made a couple millions so did Rhonda,Weidman, Robbie, Cormier I am guessing as well and Jones I believe not sure if he fought though. That there is close to 35-40 million if you include Conor in there.

 

[Number1StockBroker]

Can you offer anything to support the random figures you used?

250 million?
100 million?
Half?

Fucking northern monkeys

You should be honored Lorenzo himself agrees with your point, thats right Lorenzo Fertata the man himself.

 

[Deleted member 429453]

They aren't paying fighters fairly. This isn't about Conor. This is about business. The top screw the bottom.

I've tried to screw the bottom.....
Of my wife....

 

[Number1StockBroker]

And yet thousands of fighters would love to be on the roster.

Yeah let me see, if I was a fighter where would I want to be fighting, Shark fights or UFC, Damn this is a tough question only meant to be answered by truly bright minds. Can you help me DontWaitUp? My brain is just not on that high intellect like yours is at. Fuck it am going to go with Shark fights where I can be watched by 10 fans everytime I fight, fuck yeah!!!

 

[daniel san]

Well, I'm assuming that you haven't studies business management because your post indicates you know nothing.

600 million revenue - 250 million profit, 42% margin. That is insanely high and if your assumptions were true, then it doesn't indicate FPW are wrong, it indicates that the UFC hold of revenue is way too high and that they are cheating the fighters from a good salary.

 

[joebenson]

Can you offer anything to support the random figures you used?

250 million?
100 million?
Half?

Fucking northern monkeys

focking southern fairies

 

[INoHespectChael]

Not sure why everyone acts like UFC does all the promotion themselves and pay for everything when it's the fighters flying around doing tons of interviews on TV, radio, commercials, and with the MMA media.

Mayweather pays for his own promotion but he gets all of profits more or less and everyone flies out to him.

 

[DontWaitUp]

Yeah let me see, if I was a fighter where would I want to be fighting, Shark fights or UFC, Damn this is a tough question only meant to be answered by truly bright minds. Can you help me DontWaitUp? My brain is just not on that high intellect like yours is at. Fuck it am going to go with Shark fights where I can be watched by 10 fans everytime I fight, fuck yeah!!!

No one is conscripting these fighters into the UFC, and 300 fighters cannot make GSP compensation. Now if a person has this information before making it on the roster, what's the gripe? Is this what people do at their job? Is this how business is supposed to work? Mcdonald's won't pay me 60K a year, so I'll take the 15K job anyway, and complain about it on Sherdog.

It's amazing how munificent everybody is with the UFC's money. We're all here in our underwear at 3 in the morning on Sherdog, discussing how foolish the UFC brass is. I wonder how many people who carp about this, steal every PPV, or complain about the monthly fee for Fightpass?

 

[Deleted member 502383]

yes you can.

"As an independent contractor, the terms and conditions of the work you perform are set out in a contract between you and the employer. Even though you are not considered an “employee” under federal labor law, you may still join a union."

"One thriving example of an independent contractor unit is the Guild Freelancers, an active group of independent writers and journalists who have organized as a part of the larger Pacific Media Workers Guild, a CWA local."

As if I'm actually pleased to be corrected on Sherdog lol

 

[HIMBOB]

I'm not him, but the $100 million should be pretty close
If you slowed down you would realize that is in line with the BloodyElbow report about UFC/Zuffa finances that everyone loves to point out

Zuffa made over 600 million in 2015 & 15% of over $600 million is .........

That 15% is a rounded up number off a throwaway line as a percentage of an estimate.

Throwaway line is an un verified number by an motivated party who goes on to say what they pay (~13.6%) is roughly the same other orgs (40%+).

I don't have faith in that number so would simply like an indication as to how he arrived at it.

That said at least it is based off something, i lost all confidence in ts after his profit figure.

 

[HIMBOB]

This! As if UFC is the only org/promotion that has staging and marketing cost. Its the same with most sports orgs.

Having said that, nba, nfl, mlb, etc. all still pay out 50% of the revenue (NOT profits).

Worth mentioning other pros train as a team and don't pay their coaches, travel etc.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.

Its not just about "fair" either but about sustainability.

I think the UFC that we've seen in recent years dispite having a near monopoly has depended on the products of other orgs(Pride and SF especially) for much of its talent base that in general is growing older. However much Dana and Rogan beat the "evolution" drum the reality for me is that there simply hasn't been nearly as much in the way of exciting talent coming though in the post SF era.

All that profit that Zuffa have taken out of the sport could have been spent bringing in god knows how many quality kickboxers, BJJ fighters, wrestlers, etc who instead have MMA a miss because good money was uncertain and years away, They probably could have had their pick of high level kickboxers post K-1 when instead hardly any of them have switched.

So yes I would actually agree that there are guys on the roster who aren't worth a great deal but that's because there simply not good enough to

 

[dildos]

Fighters are fucking lucky to get that reebok $$$

 

[FrankieNYC]

Not sure why everyone acts like UFC does all the promotion themselves and pay for everything when it's the fighters flying around doing tons of interviews on TV, radio, commercials, and with the MMA media.

I'm confused (it happens lol)
Who is acting like that?

 

[Kick Strickland]

I'm pretty sure most of the informed fans are aware of this, but here is Lorenzo himself spilling the beans on what the UFC is actually making. According to him 2015 was a record year for the UFC. He said the company generated $600m in revenue in 2015. Lorenzo then goes on to point out that the UFC has to pay for promoting and staging all of their shows. It would be reasonable to assume that about half of all revenue goes to pay for business expenses. That leaves about $300m, or maybe less considering I don't know what the UFC's tax situation is like. If one were being reasonable it would be safe to assume the UFC in their best year made about $250m in pure profit. So when you add that to the fact they pay about $100m in fighter salaries and bonuses every year, it would be fucking mental to claim they aren't paying fighters fairly. So I Hope the FPWs chill out already.

You sound like a company shill. Calling people "fighter pay warriors" trying to insinuate they are crazy or thinking that fighters should make more is some how something to be mocked.

Bottom line is this: the fighters are the reason the owners are rich. The fighters are the ones risking brain damage and straight up death out there. Every fighter that is mid level and up, should be multi millionaires. But most are not.

And fuck all that noise about "we have expenditures" or whatever. Dana, a guy that owns just 1% of the business, is driving ferraris and importing snow for his yard in vegas and shit. If he can do all that with 1%, then those owners could pay the fighters a hell of a lot more.

 

[Kick Strickland]

I'm confused (it happens lol)
Who is acting like that?

lol your av is fantastic