Social Looks like queueing is on the way out.

You can’t just bring in third worlders, from low trust societies in insane numbers and expect them to land here and suddenly know our unspoken rules and culture.

It’s why immigration needs to be carefully thought and planned to not hurt the host country. But wanting to do it properly is apparently racist so…
 
That's how they queue in East Asia.

Thailand:
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Vietnam:
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Etc.

It's not about "anglo world". "Anglo world" has been going shittier more and more in the past couple of decades.

It's about people having social conscience. The West has been pushing individualism and competing more and more. All about being better than a fellow human.

That's what you get with unregulated "free market", "survival of the fittest", etc.


Unless we shift our paradigm to cooperation instead of competition, we will end up extinct.
I made a map showing countries where people queue, or did until recently. I wasn't sure about south-east Asia so have left it out. As I referred to some of these high-tier Third World countries have high standards of public decorum.

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It reminded me a bit of this one (monarchies):

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"Queueing" is such a posh, i.e. cunty, i.e. British, word. Everywhere else it's called "waiting/getting in line".
Those Brits really butcher the English language. 👍
I don't believe you.
I have to white knight for @fingercuffs here - surprisingly, Germans don't (usually) queue.
You can’t just bring in third worlders, from low trust societies in insane numbers and expect them to land here and suddenly know our unspoken rules and culture.

It’s why immigration needs to be carefully thought and planned to not hurt the host country. But wanting to do it properly is apparently racist so…
Yeah that's the term for this, we're moving from a high trust to a low trust society. But again it's not all due to changing ethnic demographics.
 
That's how they queue in East Asia.


Vietnam:
th-9668500.jpg


Etc.

It's not about "anglo world". "Anglo world" has been going shittier more and more in the past couple of decades.

It's about people having social conscience. The West has been pushing individualism and competing more and more. All about being better than a fellow human.

That's what you get with unregulated "free market", "survival of the fittest", etc.


Unless we shift our paradigm to cooperation instead of competition, we will end up extinct.
I don't know what that picture is about but I've been to Vietnam many times and they sure as hell don't have the concept of queuing. The only asian country where people actually respected lines was Japan.
 
In Australia we also call it queuing
Because youse, upsidedown-faces, are still ruled by a kink or a queef or a whatever that's called. And youse drive on the left side of the road. Bloody weirdos.

It reminded me a bit of this one (monarchies):
See above about "upsidedown-faces".

Those Brits really butcher the English language.
Weird fooks. Brittania used to be Celtic. The Anglo-Saxons came and pretty much extinguished the Celtic languages, forced everyone to speak English, yet they still claim "Britain" as the state name.

I'd understand if the Welsh did it, as "Brythoneg" was the language of their forefathers.

I have to white knight for @fingercuffs here - surprisingly, Germans don't (usually) queue.
And now, I don't believe YOU too.

P.s. @Trabaho, brate, get you "German" ass in here!!! Germans are being shit on itt.

Now, tell us, do Germans (actual ethnic Germans) keep order in lines, or do they behave like unmannered savages?
 
I don't know what that picture is about but I've been to Vietnam many times and they sure as hell don't have the concept of queuing. The only asian country where people actually respected lines was Japan.
Dunno, I've been to Vietnam only once, for only a week. I do not remember having to elbow anyone in any line.
 
As society degenerates I've started noticing in the last couple of years that people are violating queues more and more in Anglo countries. Queueing has been a shibboleth distinguishing high tier from medium and low tier countries. Now I see people deliberately violating queues pretty often. And I know what you're thinking, but most of the time it's British people, or if not a German or something.

It's rare for anyone except me to challenge the violators, even after I've spoken up first. Including the staff. That's NPCs for you.

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In high tier countries traditionally public places are safe and pleasant. Even inviting. Clean, tidy, safe, friendly and polite people, everything is in order, people follow the rules, signage is clear and its grammar and punctuation are correct etc. As society deteriorates this changes. Public spaces become threatening, dirty, disorderly, chaotic and unpleasant. You have to be prepared for conflict, and you had better be strong. This is what's happening. As I go and do errands I encounter a constant stream of minor aggressions and transgressions.

People crowding around the bus or train doors, hindering you getting out
People pushing on before people have got off
Queue jumping
Rudeness and lying from shop/counter staff
Incorrect punctuation and grammar and incomplete/incorrect information on notices
Littering
Unprovoked verbal aggression against strangers
Shoplifting
Vandalism
People just being loud, obnoxious and intrusive in general
Playing audio on your phone in a public place
Shining lights unnecessarily on paths when it's dark
Homeless/mentally ill/aggressive beggars etc. sitting drinking, smoking and blasting music on loud portable loudspeakers in the bus station 24/7
Government officials/businesses not responding to your letter/email/voicemail etc.
Businesses giving you four, or even eight hour slots for when the person will come

and so on

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I remember things being better.


Queuing is a dying trait amongst younger Australians, research commissioned by TripAdvisor and backed by a British behavioural psychologist and queuing expert suggests.

While almost three quarters of the nation (69%) claim they’ve never queue jumped, this figure is in sharp decline amongst Australia’s youth as a battle of the generations plays out in queues across the country. Millennials (25-34 y/os) are more than twice as likely to push in front than Baby Boomers (42% Millennials vs 17% Boomers)**. On the flip side, more than two thirds (75%) of Baby Boomers consider queue cutting the height of bad manners, compared to under half (38%) of Millennials.


One survey in Britain found Generation Z (18-24 year-olds) are seven times more likely to cut in line than baby boomers. Similarly, Gen Z seemed pretty unfazed by queue jumpers, with just 28% thinking it was bad (not sure if they’d feel the same if they were standing in line for the latest pair of Nike Air Jordans?). Baby Boomers, on the other hand, well 66% of them say queue jumping is bad behaviour.

If current trends continue there's going to be a sort of Reversion of the Castes and Second World, then high end Third World countries are going to be the safe, clean and orderly ones while Western countries become the ****holes.

This just happens every time economic conditions gets worse amongst a populace, as is being seen right now since Covid. Just like crime rising.
 
Because youse, upsidedown-faces, are still ruled by a kink or a queef or a whatever that's called. And youse drive on the left side of the road. Bloody weirdos.
Big eared Charles doesn't rule us, he's just a figurehead. If he tried anything, it would get shut down as unconstitutional. We get a public holiday for his birthday so there's that at least.
 
Dunno, I've been to Vietnam only once, for only a week. I do not remember having to elbow anyone in any line.
They're not as bad as the Chinese and Koreans, but from my experience, they will cut in front of you if you put some space between yourself and the person in front of you.
 
Big eared Charles doesn't rule us, he's just a figurehead. If he tried anything, it would get shut down as unconstitutional. We get a public holiday for his birthday so there's that at least.
"Sure"...
 
They're not as bad as the Chinese and Koreans, but from my experience, they will cut in front of you if you put some space between yourself and the person in front of you.
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Yeah, I heard the Chinese are pretty brutal in their line-fighting. Just as bad as Americans on black friday.
 
Because youse, upsidedown-faces, are still ruled by a kink or a queef or a whatever that's called. And youse drive on the left side of the road. Bloody weirdos.


See above about "upsidedown-faces".


Weird fooks. Brittania used to be Celtic. The Anglo-Saxons came and pretty much extinguished the Celtic languages, forced everyone to speak English, yet they still claim "Britain" as the state name.

I'd understand if the Welsh did it, as "Brythoneg" was the language of their forefathers.


And now, I don't believe YOU too.

P.s. @Trabaho, brate, get you "German" ass in here!!! Germans are being shit on itt.

Now, tell us, do Germans (actual ethnic Germans) keep order in lines, or do they behave like unmannered savages?
Germana are standing in line if there is a waiting line for something. Non germans too in Germany.
 
Public transport is a shitshow

Im not saying people back in day were angels but nowadays daily manners seem to have gone out the ass compared to 10 years ago
This right here. They have instilled in folks that life is too short to worry about other people. And every year it just compounds.

It’s funny that I get more weird looks being polite than when I’m not.
 
Germana are standing in line if there is a waiting line for something. Non germans too in Germany.
How about a line for the bus? Do they create chaos and is everyone for him/herself?

What is the majority of people who ride the bus? Immigrants or Germans?

Are there many ethnic germans who actually ride the bus?
 
As society degenerates I've started noticing in the last couple of years that people are violating queues more and more in Anglo countries. Queueing has been a shibboleth distinguishing high tier from medium and low tier countries. Now I see people deliberately violating queues pretty often. And I know what you're thinking, but most of the time it's British people, or if not a German or something.

It's rare for anyone except me to challenge the violators, even after I've spoken up first. Including the staff. That's NPCs for you.

park4.jpg


In high tier countries traditionally public places are safe and pleasant. Even inviting. Clean, tidy, safe, friendly and polite people, everything is in order, people follow the rules, signage is clear and its grammar and punctuation are correct etc. As society deteriorates this changes. Public spaces become threatening, dirty, disorderly, chaotic and unpleasant. You have to be prepared for conflict, and you had better be strong. This is what's happening. As I go and do errands I encounter a constant stream of minor aggressions and transgressions.

People crowding around the bus or train doors, hindering you getting out
People pushing on before people have got off
Queue jumping
Rudeness and lying from shop/counter staff
Incorrect punctuation and grammar and incomplete/incorrect information on notices
Littering
Unprovoked verbal aggression against strangers
Shoplifting
Vandalism
People just being loud, obnoxious and intrusive in general
Playing audio on your phone in a public place
Shining lights unnecessarily on paths when it's dark
Homeless/mentally ill/aggressive beggars etc. sitting drinking, smoking and blasting music on loud portable loudspeakers in the bus station 24/7
Government officials/businesses not responding to your letter/email/voicemail etc.
Businesses giving you four, or even eight hour slots for when the person will come

and so on

3500.jpg


I remember things being better.


Queuing is a dying trait amongst younger Australians, research commissioned by TripAdvisor and backed by a British behavioural psychologist and queuing expert suggests.

While almost three quarters of the nation (69%) claim they’ve never queue jumped, this figure is in sharp decline amongst Australia’s youth as a battle of the generations plays out in queues across the country. Millennials (25-34 y/os) are more than twice as likely to push in front than Baby Boomers (42% Millennials vs 17% Boomers)**. On the flip side, more than two thirds (75%) of Baby Boomers consider queue cutting the height of bad manners, compared to under half (38%) of Millennials.


One survey in Britain found Generation Z (18-24 year-olds) are seven times more likely to cut in line than baby boomers. Similarly, Gen Z seemed pretty unfazed by queue jumpers, with just 28% thinking it was bad (not sure if they’d feel the same if they were standing in line for the latest pair of Nike Air Jordans?). Baby Boomers, on the other hand, well 66% of them say queue jumping is bad behaviour.

If current trends continue there's going to be a sort of Reversion of the Castes and Second World, then high end Third World countries are going to be the safe, clean and orderly ones while Western countries become the ****holes.
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A big one I missed from the OP is interrupting and scripted conversations. It's become accepted to just interrupt people when they're speaking. Instead of taking turns it's just a free-for-all where everyone steps on everyone else and the strongest come out on top. If you are polite these individuals presumably interpret that as you wanting to step on others, but being unable to do so due to being weak.

And in shops, talking to businesses on the phone etc. they (apart from interrupting) try to psychologically dominate you into following a script. Upselling, asking unnecessary questions just to make you adopt a subordinate position, demanding unnecessary personal details etc.

Like someone born in Leningrad or Salisbury, the country I grew up in is gone. Welcome to the Jungle!

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I made a map showing countries where people queue, or did until recently. I wasn't sure about south-east Asia so have left it out. As I referred to some of these high-tier Third World countries have high standards of public decorum.

1000.jpg


It reminded me a bit of this one (monarchies):

1920px-World_Monarchies.svg.png


Those Brits really butcher the English language. 👍

I have to white knight for @fingercuffs here - surprisingly, Germans don't (usually) queue.

Yeah that's the term for this, we're moving from a high trust to a low trust society. But again it's not all due to changing ethnic demographics.

You think people don’t form a line in Mexico?
 
You think people don’t form a line in Mexico?
If they're forced to I expect they do. The point is I don't think they will without being forced. I've never been to Mexico or a Third World country.

We're back to caste, which I posted about a while ago.

There are those who understand/follow/try to enforce the rules by themselves.
There are those who wouldn't have done that by themselves, but when properly brought up/educated, will.
There are those who will only follow the rules when someone stands over them with a stick.
And there are those who won't follow the rules even then.

If the proportions of the first two castes are too low, or if they lose authority, you get a ****hole country.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer

Of course there are nice, affluent safe areas even in the worst countries, and chaotic ghettos even in the best.
 
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