Movies LOGAN v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

I always know who you are, I just sometimes don't recognize you.

So many great lines delivered perfectly

When Wolverine and Laura were talkin about nightmares and she says "they hurt me", as soon as you hear Jackman say his dreams are different you expect him to say "I hurt people" but the way he says it is perfect. It could have been iffy but he nailed it!

 

[brokenjaw]

Shit, almost forgot. It was fucking hysterical when they gave the only black mutant electricity powers.

 

[Clippy]

Watched it! Loved it! Wife cryed her face off and I looked at her and laughed but then I cried too when the girl called him Daddy - fuck they got me -- 10/10

Only disappointing thing was the badguy was another wolverine clone .... literally.

Loved old Xavier having old age mind problems that kill everyone. The hotel scene was epic. But almost made me throw up all over the other viewers.

So I take it when the radio said he killed 72 ppl, he probably killed most of the xmen? Maybe he had an old man attack in the school and killed beast, cyclops, gene... wait how the fuck could he kill gene and why couldn't she stop him ???

I hope they only gave the little girls metal claws and not a full metal skeleton cause she's going to grow out of that shit and it will be awkward

Those kids had awesome powers and they squandered them, fuckin kids making Laura and Wolfe do all the work

It was odd seeing Xavier talk like he did and be all racist towards albinos at the start

Who didn't know how fucked that family was who lived on the farm with the horses. As soon as they helped out I knew they were dead. Fucking Charles, you knew better but he was all like "Let's eat!!!", "Let's STAY here" ... you senile slut

Was nice to see Charles control his powers one last time to control the horses.

One part I loved is when they rammed the fence with the limo. In every fucking movie there's a scene like this where the car always gets through and really shouldn't and I even thought "they better not make it through that fucking fence" --- Not only did they not make it, but I loved the lengthy ordeal of them not being able to make it - LOVED IT

Should the antamintium bullet have blown up young Wolverine's head like that? I thought he would have had to be shot through the eye ??? ???

Oh well

That guy who tried to put the cuffs on the girl when she was eating Kellogs (plug?) looked like Chuck Liddell

Logan is the worst role model, gives the girl a quarter for another ride on the machine but then steals shit right in front of her



It was oddly amusing when the black man was about to shoot old Wolverine and "click" and then he just falls down

When the girl sacreligiously rotated the cross sidesways to make an X (Which I don't think she should have known about EDIT: Wait she reads the comics lol NVM) - it felt like not just the death of all the Xmen, but the death of the franchise. I mean really all they have is Deadpool which is why they jammed that awkward promo at the start.

They should have left silence for a while after the kids walked away to make the sad feeling more substancial ... but they went right to a Jonny Cash song ...

How does them going to Canada make them suddenly safe forever!?!?

P.S. Can someone tell me what the posion was they kept alluding to as being in his body? Did he poison himself or did someone else or was he just meaning his metal skeleton took it's toll ??? ???

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

So I take it when the radio said he killed 72 ppl, he probably killed most of the xmen?

No, the report stated that hundreds were paralyzed and seven were killed. It is implied that the seven were X-Men.

Maybe he had an old man attack in the school and killed beast, cyclops, gene

Yes, Charles had probably a seizure and killed them that way. It is not known who these X-Men were.

... wait how the fuck could he kill gene and why couldn't she stop him ???

We don't know if Jean Grey was among the X-Men Charles killed.

I hope they only gave the little girls metal claws and not a full metal skeleton cause she's going to grow out of that shit and it will be awkward

I don't think her bones was laced with Adamantium. She was just given Adamantium claws.

One part I loved is when they rammed the fence with the limo. In every fucking movie there's a scene like this where the car always gets through and really shouldn't and I even thought "they better not make it through that fucking fence" --- Not only did they not make it, but I loved the lengthy ordeal of them not being able to make it - LOVED IT

Totally agree. That failed limo ram was awesome since it rarely happens on screen.

That guy who tried to put the cuffs on the girl when she was eating Kellogs (plug?) looked like Chuck Liddell

That Reaver was played by MMA fighter Krzysztof Soszynski.

When the girl sacreligiously rotated the cross sidesways to make an X (Which I don't think she should have known about)

She reads the X-Men comic books.

P.S. Can someone tell me what the posion was they kept alluding to as being in his body? Did he poison himself or did someone else or was he just meaning his metal skeleton took it's toll ??? ???

Wolverine's Adamantium is slowly killing him. If it weren't for his healing factor, he'd been dead a long time ago.

 

[Clippy]

Thanks for the answers Dragonslordxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I could have sworn the radio said 72

Of course she reads the comics I'm a dumbass and was posting quick observations without thinking it through

 

[MicroBrew]

This is probably the greatest comic book movie ever made. It's the only one I've ever seen that gives The Dark Knight a run for its money, and in the long run, I believe this one will endure. It has far, far more going on in it.

I feel Batman Begins is the best comic book movie.

 

[Amerikuracana]

So many great lines delivered perfectly

When Wolverine and Laura were talkin about nightmares and she says "they hurt me", as soon as you hear Jackman say his dreams are different you expect him to say "I hurt people" but the way he says it is perfect. It could have been iffy but he nailed it!

Yeah.. But didn't you know he was going to say that? I did. I heard the script there. It was obvious. I don't like hearing the script.

 

[method115]

This is probably the greatest comic book movie ever made. It's the only one I've ever seen that gives The Dark Knight a run for its money, and in the long run, I believe this one will endure. It has far, far more going on in it.

Yea saw this last weekend pretty damn impressed. I still think the Dark Knight is above it but this was a damn good movie. Really sad to see the X-men all die like this though. If they are going to continue this with the rest of the kids I hope they make them teenagers in the next one and not little kids. Adults would be even better.

 

[pinkybrief]

Yea saw this last weekend pretty damn impressed. I still think the Dark Knight is above it but this was a damn good movie. Really sad to see the X-men all die like this though. If they are going to continue this with the rest of the kids I hope they make them teenagers in the next one and not little kids. Adults would be even better.

saw it twice, I got sad seeing x xavier like that, dude used to have a mansion and a jet, in a way that dinner was awesome

 

[method115]

saw it twice, I got sad seeing x xavier like that, dude used to have a mansion and a jet, in a way that dinner was awesome

The dinner scene was great but I felt bad cause I knew this family was about to get slaughtered.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Yeah.. But didn't you know he was going to say that? I did. I heard the script there. It was obvious. I don't like hearing the script.

Yeah, I said you knew what he was going to say but the way Jackman delivered the line was made it work.

If he would have said it aggressively it wouldn't have worked but he said with so much pain and remorse that it worked fine.

 

[DIABOLUS]

Looks like two of my posts were deleted and my black belt was taken away, so you guys get me for one more post after this.

Finally got to see LOGAN last night, and I'm not going to lie, I was very disappointed.

Incoming wall of text...

Spoiler

1. X-24 as the surprise villain. This was absolutely uncalled for. I thought that the whole point of X-23 was that they tried cloning Wolverine 22 times, but failed because the Y chromosome in their sample had degraded? So they try making a female clone on their 23rd attempt and succeed? Now you're going to tel me, "Just Kidding! We somehow figured out how to make a perfect male clone after all?" If you're going to have a savage Wolverine equivalent, just throw Sabretooth in there so you at least have the old history and bad blood between them.

2. Making Xavier responsible for the X-Men's deaths. I feel like this shifted the tone of the movie heavily. One of the great things about Old Man Logan is how he refused to go by the name Wolverine, and refused to pop his claws no matter how much danger he was in. The mystery of why was built up until you finally learn he killed the X-Men in one of his berserker rages. Now? They shift that completely over the the Professor so Wolverine loses a lot of the emotional guilt he should have. Hell, I know a bunch of you hate "The Wolverine" but in that movie he was at least wracked with guilt over killing Jean Grey and correspondingly wanted to die. In this movie we get none of that. He's caring for Professor, waiting for him to die so he can eat a bullet. Because he's... just tired I guess. He wasn't the one who killed the X-Men so it can't be guilt.

3. All the kids with mutant powers. I didn't want to see this shit all over again. Kids levitating shit, freezing shit, using their powers against bad guys. I know this is an X-Men franchise film, but I don't want to see any of that shit in THIS film. This film is supposed to be about LOGAN, dealing with heavy, very HUMAN, emotional shit. Existential shit. So at the most, I wanted to see Logan, Professor X, Laura, Donald Pierce and the Reavers. I don't give a damn about Caliban, but I could accept his inclusion as a convenient plot device to track the heroes down. Then in the final act all the kids start fighting back and we go right back to a super-power CGI fest.

4. Donald Pierce was upstaged as a bad guy. When he was first introduced I thought he played an intriguing antagonist, someone that looked up to Wolverine in a way. I thought it would have been neat if they revealed it was Wolverine that cost him his arm, causing Pierce to develop a kind of fanaticism/hatred/worship of Logan. Then they bring out X-24 and the obligatory "evil mad scientist" and Donald Pierce is relegated to the sidelines, his potency as a villain immediately stunted. Then he goes and gets gangbanged by the little kids and dies like a bitch. Good job, Fox! Reminds me of how Orson Krennic was supposed to be the villain in Rogue One, only to get upstaged by both Tarkin AND Darth Vader!

5. Wolverine was robbed of a climactic death. THIS, more than any of the points above absolutely infuriates me. Hear me out: Wolverine is a cynical old man, an alcoholic who no longer is an X-Man. The Professor tells him about new mutants but Wolverine doesn't give a shit. He's jaded and dealing with heavy shit. They go on the journey, and through all their brushes with death, comes to care for Laura. Slowly, he comes around and realizes that the current world order (no mutants) is wrong, and these young mutants do deserve a fighting chance to start new lives and create a new future. He ferries the kids to the Canadian border but a confrontation occurs with Donald Pierce (NOT X-24), in which someone has to do something that will stop Pierce for good. This "something" will absolutely be fatal to that individual. All hope seems lost when Logan suddenly steps up, realizes this is how things have to be. Imagine a technician who enters a nuclear plant experiencing a meltdown in order to work the cooling rods and prevent further catastrophe. That person is absolutely dead, but they're doing it for the good of others. That is the kind of death I wanted for Logan. For him to snap out of his funk, realize mutants do belong in the world, and to sacrifice himself to ensure Laura's survival.

Instead, he fights X-24 and gets completely wrecked. The other kids kill Donald Pierce and Laura kills X-24. WTF??????? Wolverine literally did next to nothing!!!

6. The film felt like it couldn't decide what kind of world it wanted to portray. Old Man Logan depicted a Mad Max-style hellish wasteland dominated by super villains. They teased us that Logan would take place in 2029, in a dystopian future. Okay, not bad so far. But then you have Logan working as a limo driver. We see people going on parties, proms, frat boy shit. People live on farms, going fishing, do normal mundane shit. We even see people staying at an expensive casino resort. And we've got cholo car thieves. So is this a dystopia or not? Or is it only a dystopia because there's no mutants? Because to the average human, it would seem like a perfectly normal world. Oh sure, you've got computer controlled trucks (???), and greedy land owners growing synthetic corn, but c'mon son, that shit is WEAK. If you're going to create a post-apocalyptic world, go all out, especially given you have an R rating.

7. So the kids made it to the border. What was the big deal about this? Why was it only viable to cross on a specific day? I know the kids were communicating to someone in Canada via radio, but are you seriously telling me that passage across would have been impossible on any other day? And what's on the other side of that border? We get the indication there is some community or safe haven for mutants in this Eden place, but literally no information about who is running it, why they are there, etc. We just have to trust that the kids will be safe once they cross the border. Just because.

This is pretty much my biggest issues with the film. I haven't seen anyone really mention much along these lines. Just lots of people heaping praise on the film. So, good for Hugh Jackman, I guess. I'm happy his last film as Wolverine is so highly regarded. But I'm not going to lie, this was far from the swan song that I was hoping for.

And so no one thinks I'm completely biased, I will say the following was good about it:

1. Depicting Wolverine's age. All the scars on his body, his limping, and how one of his claws wouldn't fully extract. Reminds me of the Terminator in Genisys popping his knee back into place. It was a nice touch showing Wolverine's body is not what it used to be.

2. Donald Pierce had so much potential, he had charm and swagger. Could have been more of a force to reckon with if he wasn't upstaged by the scientist and X-24. Side note: there were too many Reavers and they were little more than nameless, personality-less cannon fodder. I would have loved to see a few guys get their organic limbs cut off by Wolverine/Laura, only to come back more cyberized in a later encounter.

3. Doesn't need re-iterating, but Jackman and Stewart's on-screen chemistry was great. You could really feel that they (the actors and characters) have been through so much together over the years.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Looks like two of my posts were deleted and my black belt was taken away, so you guys get me for one more post after this.

And it looks like I have found a way to make you keep on posting here.

(Great to hear from you again. Hope you're screenplay is going well.)

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Oh btw when I saw it the other day with a friend, there was a father watching it with his daughter and at the final scene I could hear him crying and see him wiping his tears away. It was truly touching.

Sorry to hear the film disappointed you Diabolus, I thought it was absolutely fantastic.

 

[Zazen]

Looks like two of my posts were deleted and my black belt was taken away, so you guys get me for one more post after this.

Finally got to see LOGAN last night, and I'm not going to lie, I was very disappointed.

Incoming wall of text...

Spoiler

1. X-24 as the surprise villain. This was absolutely uncalled for. I thought that the whole point of X-23 was that they tried cloning Wolverine 22 times, but failed because the Y chromosome in their sample had degraded? So they try making a female clone on their 23rd attempt and succeed? Now you're going to tel me, "Just Kidding! We somehow figured out how to make a perfect male clone after all?" If you're going to have a savage Wolverine equivalent, just throw Sabretooth in there so you at least have the old history and bad blood between them.

2. Making Xavier responsible for the X-Men's deaths. I feel like this shifted the tone of the movie heavily. One of the great things about Old Man Logan is how he refused to go by the name Wolverine, and refused to pop his claws no matter how much danger he was in. The mystery of why was built up until you finally learn he killed the X-Men in one of his berserker rages. Now? They shift that completely over the the Professor so Wolverine loses a lot of the emotional guilt he should have. Hell, I know a bunch of you hate "The Wolverine" but in that movie he was at least wracked with guilt over killing Jean Grey and correspondingly wanted to die. In this movie we get none of that. He's caring for Professor, waiting for him to die so he can eat a bullet. Because he's... just tired I guess. He wasn't the one who killed the X-Men so it can't be guilt.

3. All the kids with mutant powers. I didn't want to see this shit all over again. Kids levitating shit, freezing shit, using their powers against bad guys. I know this is an X-Men franchise film, but I don't want to see any of that shit in THIS film. This film is supposed to be about LOGAN, dealing with heavy, very HUMAN, emotional shit. Existential shit. So at the most, I wanted to see Logan, Professor X, Laura, Donald Pierce and the Reavers. I don't give a damn about Caliban, but I could accept his inclusion as a convenient plot device to track the heroes down. Then in the final act all the kids start fighting back and we go right back to a super-power CGI fest.

4. Donald Pierce was upstaged as a bad guy. When he was first introduced I thought he played an intriguing antagonist, someone that looked up to Wolverine in a way. I thought it would have been neat if they revealed it was Wolverine that cost him his arm, causing Pierce to develop a kind of fanaticism/hatred/worship of Logan. Then they bring out X-24 and the obligatory "evil mad scientist" and Donald Pierce is relegated to the sidelines, his potency as a villain immediately stunted. Then he goes and gets gangbanged by the little kids and dies like a bitch. Good job, Fox! Reminds me of how Orson Krennic was supposed to be the villain in Rogue One, only to get upstaged by both Tarkin AND Darth Vader!

5. Wolverine was robbed of a climactic death. THIS, more than any of the points above absolutely infuriates me. Hear me out: Wolverine is a cynical old man, an alcoholic who no longer is an X-Man. The Professor tells him about new mutants but Wolverine doesn't give a shit. He's jaded and dealing with heavy shit. They go on the journey, and through all their brushes with death, comes to care for Laura. Slowly, he comes around and realizes that the current world order (no mutants) is wrong, and these young mutants do deserve a fighting chance to start new lives and create a new future. He ferries the kids to the Canadian border but a confrontation occurs with Donald Pierce (NOT X-24), in which someone has to do something that will stop Pierce for good. This "something" will absolutely be fatal to that individual. All hope seems lost when Logan suddenly steps up, realizes this is how things have to be. Imagine a technician who enters a nuclear plant experiencing a meltdown in order to work the cooling rods and prevent further catastrophe. That person is absolutely dead, but they're doing it for the good of others. That is the kind of death I wanted for Logan. For him to snap out of his funk, realize mutants do belong in the world, and to sacrifice himself to ensure Laura's survival.

Instead, he fights X-24 and gets completely wrecked. The other kids kill Donald Pierce and Laura kills X-24. WTF??????? Wolverine literally did next to nothing!!!

6. The film felt like it couldn't decide what kind of world it wanted to portray. Old Man Logan depicted a Mad Max-style hellish wasteland dominated by super villains. They teased us that Logan would take place in 2029, in a dystopian future. Okay, not bad so far. But then you have Logan working as a limo driver. We see people going on parties, proms, frat boy shit. People live on farms, going fishing, do normal mundane shit. We even see people staying at an expensive casino resort. And we've got cholo car thieves. So is this a dystopia or not? Or is it only a dystopia because there's no mutants? Because to the average human, it would seem like a perfectly normal world. Oh sure, you've got computer controlled trucks (???), and greedy land owners growing synthetic corn, but c'mon son, that shit is WEAK. If you're going to create a post-apocalyptic world, go all out, especially given you have an R rating.

7. So the kids made it to the border. What was the big deal about this? Why was it only viable to cross on a specific day? I know the kids were communicating to someone in Canada via radio, but are you seriously telling me that passage across would have been impossible on any other day? And what's on the other side of that border? We get the indication there is some community or safe haven for mutants in this Eden place, but literally no information about who is running it, why they are there, etc. We just have to trust that the kids will be safe once they cross the border. Just because.

This is pretty much my biggest issues with the film. I haven't seen anyone really mention much along these lines. Just lots of people heaping praise on the film. So, good for Hugh Jackman, I guess. I'm happy his last film as Wolverine is so highly regarded. But I'm not going to lie, this was far from the swan song that I was hoping for.

And so no one thinks I'm completely biased, I will say the following was good about it:

1. Depicting Wolverine's age. All the scars on his body, his limping, and how one of his claws wouldn't fully extract. Reminds me of the Terminator in Genisys popping his knee back into place. It was a nice touch showing Wolverine's body is not what it used to be.

2. Donald Pierce had so much potential, he had charm and swagger. Could have been more of a force to reckon with if he wasn't upstaged by the scientist and X-24. Side note: there were too many Reavers and they were little more than nameless, personality-less cannon fodder. I would have loved to see a few guys get their organic limbs cut off by Wolverine/Laura, only to come back more cyberized in a later encounter.

3. Doesn't need re-iterating, but Jackman and Stewart's on-screen chemistry was great. You could really feel that they (the actors and characters) have been through so much together over the years.

I respect your opinion but #3 is nitpicky as hell man. They barely had screen time.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Some fuckboy thinks LOGAN is too close to CHILDREN OF MEN.

Love Children of Men but reaching with this one.

There are similarities but not enough to make a deal about it.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

I don't seriously consider reviews that start off with an apology. Like, who are you?

Makes everything smell like, "PLEASE JUST RESPOND TO MY ARTICLE SO I KNOW."

I hate to tell you...but this is the truth. I'm sorry...what can I say?

 

[method115]

I wonder how this movie got made in this franchise with this character. This is more than simply a R rating with bloody action sequences. Everything about this movie from the characterization, plot, tone, etc is so far above and beyond anything else in the Xmen series.

I forgot to talk about this as well. This movie was so great and had a lot more to do with it just being R rated. Everything about this movie was done right and so much better than anything else in this series.

 

[MicroBrew]

What about it did you love so much?

Dark, gritty. The previous Batman movies all seemed a bit too cartoonish/campy (not cartoonish like the Batman animated series from the 90s) in their costume, action and script.

 

[xenomorph4prez]

I thought Logan was solid. 8/10

One question though.

If X-23 has an adamantium laced skeleton as a kid wouldn't that keep her from growing?