Movies LOGAN v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen LOGAN, how would you rate it?

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Three Gun Fish said:
For me, it's mostly been Wolverine himself that's been missing. Hugh Jackman has never won me over as Wolverine, despite my thinking he's really good in this and quite a number of other roles. The fact he's never worn the correct costume is a big minus.

LOGAN makes up for all of that. My only question is whether suffering through all these terrible attempts was necessary for me to enjoy LOGAN as much as I do.



I believe the "six killed" referred to the Reavers, and the Westchester bodycount was unspecified, cited as a "related incident."
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never had a problem with jackman as wolverine. it might be that as a stand alone character he can't carry a film.
 
Update: March 6, 2017

LOGAN Climbs Even Higher to Huge $88.3 Million U.S. Debut, $247.3 Million Globally

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Director James Mangold's Logan howled loudly at the North American box office over the weekend with a massive $88.3 million from 4,071 theaters, the biggest opening of the year so far and one of the top showings of all time for an R-rated film or for a March release, according to final numbers.

That's ahead of Sunday's estimate of $85.3 million for the 20th Century Fox superhero movie. (The weekend before, Get Out also exceeded Sunday's estimate by $3 million, or $33.4 million versus $30.5 million.)

Logan was also huge overseas, debuting to $159 million from 81 markets for a launch of $240.8 million. The movie also came in ahead of Sunday's international estimate, which was $152.5 million. Logan scored $48.8 million in China, where it crushed The Lego Batman Movie, which bowed to a meager $3.5 million.

Final Box Office: 'Logan' Climbs Even Higher to Huge $88.3 Million U.S. Debut, $247.3 Million Globally
 
Three Gun Fish said:
Perfect film.

I'm having trouble figuring out any other comic book film that is better, let alone a non-comic book film. It took itself seriously and not-so-serious -- but never hokey* -- in just the right doses. Elevated heart and emotion and melodrama that I love in unrealistic films. It made me care.

It was gratuitously violent, which I didn't mind because Savagery had been sorely missing up till now. It was like they'd heard the complaints and decided, "Let's give them what they want."

To which I responded:
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It was excessively violent but again I was okay with it. And when X-23 came out, I got CHILLS. The audience reaction was great. They ooh'd and ahh'd at the right places.

Daphne Keen is extraordinarily cast, and the rest of the actors simply nail it.

Boyd Holbrook is so great; at first I was like, "This henchman scores 12/10 Garrett Hedlunds!" But then he was so delicious in his unctuousness he managed to rise into a Jules Winnfield-caliber heavy, and it wasn't until he started screaming, "GET 'IM, BOY!!!" that I realized how perfect he was in bringing out that Hick Wolvie Flavor™. I love how he sidles up to the passenger window, scene-eating at its best.

Even Stephen Merchant, who sadly DOES NOT escape being pigeon-holed as Stringbean, Pasty Fellow, had a great moment in the spotlight. Har har har.

Richard E. Grant was toothlesser than I would have liked as Zander Rice, but I feel stunt-casting a more sinister actor would have done as much damage as good. When everything's ramping up, no one needs to shout, "HEY, I DIDN'T KNOW JOHN MALKOVICH WAS IN THIS."

Better than the Quicksilver sequence from DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Better than Nightcrawler infiltrating the White House. Better than Batman in a warehouse.

This one's a classic, boys. I'm surprised there's been disappointment, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. Myself, I feel like Goldilocks.

This one's JUUUUUSSST RIIIIIGHT.

*The Lost Boys were a little saccharine. Almost hokey. But it gave us the mutton-chops and therefore is instantly forgiven!

There are a few things I wanted as a geek. This is only kinda spoilery.

Like, for instance when Logan is running through the woods at while on the juice, I would have appreciated a more feral, loping run. But that doesn't translate very realistically onscreen.

I would have liked a scene where he could smell X-24 like the presence of another alpha predator. It would have been so great to see a tinge of animal fear coarsing through his facial expressions. Not just shock and awe.

I get that the classic costume, either iteration, like the animalistic gait, would have ruptured the Western-centric realism so I would have added different examples of Wolvie iconography. I would have had Logan wear a patch for the first act, with a scarred-over eye and everything. Then dramatically heal his eye. Akin to the scene he's pushing the bullets out to establish his healing factor, regaining his eye could dramatically depict his commitment to the narrative, and kinda be like a "he's back" moment.

I would have liked to have squeezed in the Weapon-X version somewhere, perhaps with X-24, but
... AGE OF APOCALYPSE already did that.

Why Cliches Ain't So Bad: @Loiosh, @HomerThompson, et al:

I get that the Staying Overnight at the Innocent Bystander's House® is an overused trope that doesn't fit well in a contemporary or futuristic story. With modern conveniences it's unrealistic someone couldn't find SOME OTHER place to stay; this definitely works better as a Western hallmark, and this disparity is what happens when you mix genre rules.

The scene makes crucial sense to the story and adds the essential dramatic weight to the Logan character that's been missing from even the comic books, so really its only fault is that I've been to a lot of movies. To be honest there's nothing new in LOGAN that we haven't seen before ... (they even included the three-point landing; hell the ending was lifted WHOLLY FROM ANOTHER FILM) ... there's nothing new, other than that it's finally managed to wrangle it all together perfectly.

They HAVE to stay there because Charles BEGS him and he CAN'T say no. Logan knows this is a terrible idea and says it three times, but this is HOW MUCH Charles means to him, which is further depicted by the family's tragedy. New viewers may not get the significance of Charles Xavier, so LOGAN establishes it through a happy family scene. There aren't many efficient ways to get you to care a character within an hour.

I believe in that scene because it leads me directly to the wonderful moments when Logan cannot find the words to properly eulogize, and when he must finally admit to his daughter, and to himself, and to us -- that he's no good.

We've been conditioned to buy into the fact Wolverine is the best there is at what he does, but the more important part of that equation, the element that means the most, the thing we keep forgetting is that: he's shit terrible at everything else. This is what makes Wolverine who he is; this is the deep down secret to Wolverine's archetype: the Lone Dark Stranger. This is his vulnerability, and therein it's the source of his strength. And to watch Hugh Jackman, schlubby and fat in a dirty tank top, channeling every bit of Bob Hoskins, tearfully confess -- it was everything I ever wanted from Wolverine.

Logan finally arrived, and how poetic it is that he should Finally Be only scant moments before his death.

Logan Is Dead.

LLL.

I liked the titty part.
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I like your take on the farmhouse segment. It really does show what Charles means and has meant to his existence. He's the only one who really ever pulled Logan from the abyss in any meaningful way.

I also like titties.
 
Three Gun Fish said:
Why Cliches Ain't So Bad: @Loiosh, @HomerThompson, et al:

I get that the Staying Overnight at the Innocent Bystander's House® is an overused trope that doesn't fit well in a contemporary or futuristic story. With modern conveniences it's unrealistic someone couldn't find SOME OTHER place to stay; this definitely works better as a Western hallmark, and this disparity is what happens when you mix genre rules.

The scene makes crucial sense to the story and adds the essential dramatic weight to the Logan character that's been missing from even the comic books, so really its only fault is that I've been to a lot of movies. To be honest there's nothing new in LOGAN that we haven't seen before ... (they even included the three-point landing; hell the ending was lifted WHOLLY FROM ANOTHER FILM) ... there's nothing new, other than that it's finally managed to wrangle it all together perfectly.

They HAVE to stay there because Charles BEGS him and he CAN'T say no. Logan knows this is a terrible idea and says it three times, but this is HOW MUCH Charles means to him, which is further depicted by the family's tragedy. New viewers may not get the significance of Charles Xavier, so LOGAN establishes it through a happy family scene. There aren't many efficient ways to get you to care about a character within an hour.

I believe in that scene because it leads me directly to the wonderful moments when Logan cannot find the words to properly eulogize, and when he must finally admit to his daughter, and to himself, and to us -- that he's no good.

We've been conditioned to buy into the fact Wolverine is the best there is at what he does, but the more important part of that equation, the element that means the most, the thing we keep forgetting is that: he's shit terrible at everything else. This is what makes Wolverine who he is; this is the deep down secret to Wolverine's archetype: the Lone Dark Stranger. This is his vulnerability, and therein it's the source of his strength. And to watch Hugh Jackman, schlubby and fat in a dirty tank top, channeling every bit of Bob Hoskins, tearfully confess -- it was everything I ever wanted from Wolverine.

Logan finally arrived, and how poetic it is that he should Finally Be only scant moments before his death.

Logan Is Dead.

LLL.
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This was the only thing I complained about, and even in complaining I mentioned the fact Logan had addressed the fact stopping there was bad, yielding ultimately to Charles. Minor complaint in an excellent movie, and your perspective here resonates.
 
i give it an 8/10 for a comic book movie.

was i enthralled by the characters during the non-action scenes? yes.

was it unpredictable and/or did it have me so wrapped up in it that i completely suspended my logical mind and happily went along for the ride? No. very predictable and the characters' stupidity in the farm house scene really marked a point in the movie where i was pulled out and never pulled back in.

people are finding ways to excuse the farmhouse scene, but let's not overlook the fact that the centre of Wolverine's post-weapon X character is that he compulsively pulls away from people so they don't get hurt. he's not going to spend the night with an innocent family while pursued by killers no matter how addled his thinking is.

i would have preferred to see:

1. Logan abruptly refuses the invitation on the roadside, telling Xavier to shut up and the family suspects something is wrong ( the girl has been kidnapped?) and tries to rescue her. Logan could be shot in the altercation and the girl runs to his side, Xavier explains they're on the run from some killers. the family isn't sure what to do and take them in while Logan recovers, even though Charles begs the family to leave them. they obviously won't leave a cripple, a child and a dying man in a truck on the side of the road. logan still learns whatever lessons about family you all want him to learn while he recovers. family can still get massacred, but at least there's a reason for it to happen besides the plot needing the characters to be stupid. there could be a scene where Charles is desperately trying to use his powers to change their minds, but he just took the pills and is powerless. the family tells them they'll stay the night while the family decides whether or not to call the authorities in the morning. rational people making rational decisions makes their doom that much heavier.

those farmer goons could still come and threaten the family and Logan drags himself into the yard to back up the father, making an impression on the family because what kind of man would crawl into a deadly situation to protect the stranger who accidentally shot him earlier?

2. they take the chance to spend the night, there's a pivotal character-changing moment as they see that a loving family would have made them all different people, then the three leave in the morning, with the family perfectly safe and a major cliche avoided.

i was really disappointed the trailer gave away the girl's secret. that scene was perfectly put rogether to blow my mind.

i knew what the medicine and adamantium bullet were for as soon as they were introduced.
 
Three Gun Fish said:
Wolvie still abides by this principle.


I don't believe he had access to any medication that inhibited mutant abilities, but rather one was for seizures and the other one a more generic medication for dementia or whatever.

Essentially, one was to be taken routinely while the other was for emergencies.
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hmmn you may be right about the pills, but i thought one of them interfered with his brain and that in supressing the brain activity that caused seizures it also suppressed his powers. this is based on his first conversation with Caliban and the scene where Charles tells Logan information about Laura, Logan asks if they talked and Charles says they communicated . it seemed to me the only way Logan would ask the world's greatest telepath that is if hecould no longer read minds. also the scene with the horses seemed to say that Charles was proving to Logan that he could be trusted with his powers again.

so was your interpretation that Charles mostly lost his powers to dementia, but could still hurt people with seizures? i could see that.

i did like that they didn't give Logan a typical heroic death.
 
What are your guys take on this?

When Logan is dying and he says, "so this is what it feels like."

Was he referring to dying or love? I thought he was talking about the feeling of loving/caring for Laura but some people think he's talking abut death.
 
I thought the most far-fetched part was when there just happened to be a revolver lying on the ground that just so happened to be the same caliber as the bullet and she just happened to know how to load a revolver correctly.
 
House by the Cemetery said:
What are your guys take on this?

When Logan is dying and he says, "so this is what it feels like."

Was he referring to dying or love? I thought he was talking about the feeling of loving/caring for Laura but some people think he's talking abut death.
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Spoilers

He's had a father-like figure in Professor X, but finally he has a child, a daughter in Laura. The film ends with him holding her hand, saying, "So, this is what this feels like."

Jackman was on board as soon as he read those words.

"As soon as I saw the script, I got it. Logan is someone who is most scared of intimacy, and so he wants to be alone and do things for himself. The idea that, in the end, he must give his life to save someone else … I thought that was really powerful,” Jackman said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/logan-hugh-jackman-speaks-ending/story?id=45938144
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
Spoilers

He's had a father-like figure in Professor X, but finally he has a child, a daughter in Laura. The film ends with him holding her hand, saying, "So, this is what this feels like."

Jackman was on board as soon as he read those words.

"As soon as I saw the script, I got it. Logan is someone who is most scared of intimacy, and so he wants to be alone and do things for himself. The idea that, in the end, he must give his life to save someone else … I thought that was really powerful,” Jackman said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/logan-hugh-jackman-speaks-ending/story?id=45938144
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Damnit...

<{boneytears}>
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
The latter.

Was planning on announcing my departure from Sherdog after I do my Logan review but something came up and I might be sticking around Sherdog longer. :)
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NOOOOO!

You can't leave! You're one of the good ones!

I'm glad you're sticking around but I hope it's for a good reason. Honestly man, you're contributions are unbelievable. One of the best posters on the site.
 
House by the Cemetery said:
NOOOOO!

You can't leave! You're one of the good ones!

I'm glad you're sticking around but I hope it's for a good reason. Honestly man, you're contributions are unbelievable. One of the best posters on the site.
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Thanks. Appreciate it.
 
Anyway... I want to commend Fox on the minimalist way they promoted Logan. They only released two theatrical trailers (one teaser and full-length) instead of the normal 3 to 5 and only released two clips (I think) instead of the standard 6 to 8. They even managed to keep X-24 a secret to the public.
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
The latter.

Was planning on announcing my departure from Sherdog after I do my Logan review but something came up and I might be sticking around Sherdog longer. :)
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You're abandoning the 'Berry DL? Say it ain't so.
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
The latter.

Was planning on announcing my departure from Sherdog after I do my Logan review but something came up and I might be sticking around Sherdog longer. :)
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For selfish reasons I don't want you to leave but if you got something going on that keeps you busier and you can support your family power to you , and your contributions would be missed.
 
Saw this tonight.

Now this is a Wolverine movie. This is the direction they should've taken from the start.

Wolverine killed more people than Stalin.
 
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