Let's talk prescription drugs

So like, you opened the medicine cabinet and looked through their shit? What a dick.
 
I also want to vomit when I see prescription drug commercials on TV and know a little about how pharma reps push certain drugs. I think our medical system is fundamentally flawed. But people are free to live their lives how they see fit. I personally avoid drugs unless absolutely necessary and would sooner make life style changes.

This is more of a moral issue for me and not necessarily something that should result in policy change unless we are discuss healthcare and access more broadly.
 
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The SSRI use for women over 40 is most likely for menopause and the pre 40 use can be for really severe case of PMDD. The main issue I have isn't overprescribing but rather the direct consumer marketing. Patients are going to get their drugs one way or another. They don't like to be told no and they will just go doctor shopping until they get what they want.
 
I've known about these stats for a long time. Prescrition pills basicalyl destroyed my group of highschool friends.

- One of them who was my roomate was getting so bad I couldn't wake him up at times during the day. I had my daughter living with me so he needed to go and I told him when he stops taking them we can be friends again.

- Another one just recently robbed a pharmacy and then drove to CVS held people hostage took a bunch of vicodin and shot himself. A few days or a week before he killed someone else to but that was probably going to be ruled self defense. Oh he also robbed his parents before all of that.

- Another one has been in and out of jail but this guy was going to be a fuck up from the beginning regardless of pills or not.

- My ex got addicted lied to me constantly about where she was going (to get more pills) and eventually I gave up and broke up with her.

- My best friend's wife got addicted to them with my ex and ended up sleeping with some friend of the family and then sucking her ex's dick to get more pills. Luckily she quit and has been sober for years now. I still think my friend is stupid for staying with her but they seem to be doing great now. Other then his parents don't see him or the kids anymore they refuse to until she agrees to go to family therapy. Which I think is dumb but whatever.


Then we have this of coruse http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/
 
CEROVFC said:
I was at a friend's place, and using the bathroom, the nosey fuck that I am I see all sorts of bottles of meds.

Doing a little web browsing and this stuff is rather eye opening.

I'm not the type that really enjoys going to the doctor, and only do so if I feel something real bad is going on. And I have never been to a psychiatrist.

Quick searches are saying stuff like:

70% of people are on at least one prescription drug. Over 50% 2+. 20% on 5+!!!!
13% of adults are on anti-depressants!
1 in 4 women over 40 years old are on anti-depressants.
One third of foster children are on psychotics drugs.
200,000 people a year dying from taking drugs as prescribed.
Prescription pain killers killing more people than coke and heroin combined.

I am not really sure if the deaths are doctor error or what.

But I am caught off guard by these numbers. I would think that if I was in a grocery store with a hundred people, my guess would be on average maybe 1 would be on anti depressants, not 10. I kind of feel like showing up to work and guess who are the ones on meds.

And this is in the backdrop of being surprised by finding out in quick succession that two friends I have see therapists.

What says Sherdog about this? Stress of modern life?, the long arms of the pharmaceutical industry? Anybody brave??? enough to admit they are / were on anti depressants? Who is on multiple prescriptions?
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hiya CEROVFC,

i think if you're depressed about something, you should be depressed, and you should (if possible) attempt to change your life.

then again, if you're depressed about having a dead end job and are saddled with a few kids and find you're unable to face the grim reality of your life, i don't see the harm in taking a pill that allows you to soldier through your day.

idk, CEROVFC.

judging from the responses to your thread, the WAR ROOM is kind of an outlier; a collection of strong individuals who have no experience in this sort of thing.

- IGIT
 
Prutfis said:
Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal?
It's a natural plant that grows in the dirt.
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While I support drug legalization generally the whole "natural" bit is stupid as shit. Lots of natural plants can kill you as quickly and horrifically as synthesized materials. And no, weed doesn't cure cancer.
 
Armbars said:
I can totally believe them numbers. I also believe the reason drugs are being used at such an alarming rate is our diet. You are a product of the food you swallow down your throat. People eat less nutritious processed shit than ever before. Humans are becoming weak.
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Well one thing is that if you are a person that lives in an rural area then you may be more likely to grow your own vegetables, maybe even fruit, and live off the land far more than a urban person would. People that live in major cities, which is most of us, have become accustomed to convenience, fast drugs, a fast lifestyle, fast food, completely engaged in the rat race. Fast food corporations have been more than happy to swoop in with 2 dollar food that, while not great, is edible, and I mean that in the most basic sense of edible, its basically a slow kill. There should be a hazard warning on a bucket of fried chicken that says this will kill your fat ass if you don't stop eating it.

Even people that mostly eat right and try to stay away from these terrible foods have fallen victim to this, I've seen it first hand. Hell, I've experienced it first hand. You are on the way home from a hard days work, you are tired, what seems better, a stop at a busy grocery store and then take it home and cook it, or drive thru and get a burger and fries? Sometimes that burger and fries is looking like a good choice even though its a horrible choice. Even in the grocery store the consumer is confronted with an entire host of poor choices that are packed with sugar or fat or both.
 
I find it somewhat questionable to place this on some vague "modern society driving people past their ability to naturally cope" or even squarely on doctors. The former makes little sense given that we're actually in a massively safe and secure period of time in human history. The later works some, doctors have a responsibility for not prescribing unnecessary medications (e.g. antibiotics for the flu) but the AMA has actually tried to address this issue.

Instead, the massive use of drugs by people in the US has a very clear cause: massive advertising. Use of prescription drugs has skyrocketed since 1997 due to relaxation of advertising regulation. Watch any major sports event and you'll be bombarded by ads and, whether we want to admit it or not, these ads work. Advertising expenditures have outstripped R&D and the increase in these expenditures have been shown to have a direct impact on drug sales.
 
Work for big pharma ... More people need to be on meds if you ask me
 
I love Norcos and Vicoden. Popped em like candy when I took them. After a couple weeks they make me constipated so I only use them for a month at a time. The dude I got them from gets oxycotin instead and I don't like those so I havent took pills in a couple years.
 
ultraninjastar said:
I love Norcos and Vicoden. Popped em like candy when I took them. After a couple weeks they make me constipated so I only use them for a month at a time. The dude I got them from gets oxycotin instead and I don't like those so I havent took pills in a couple years.
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I don't get the appeal of opiates myself. Can't stand that fluffy headed feeling.
I herniated a couple of discs and was on oxycodone at nights so I could sleep. After about a month I'd doubled my original dose, but as soon as I could sleep through the night without them I stopped cold, felt no urge whatsoever to take any and haven't had any since.
 
MusterX said:
Consider this insanity. 80% of the world's supply of pain killers is taken by Americans.

Americans consume 80 percent of the world's painkillers, which translates into more than 110 tons of addictive opiates every year, the BBC reports. The finding comes from congressional testimony by the American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians.
http://www.businessinsider.com/americans-consume-80-percent-of-the-worlds-painkillers-2012-5
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I am curious about the 200,000 a year dying taking the drugs as prescribed. I am assuming it is a mix of:
Poorly prescribed drug.
Side effects of drugs.

But that number just feels too huge.
 
I have prescriptions for a sedative/hypnotic, and an anti-psychotic. They work. Keeps me from killin yall.
 
sangreporsangre said:
So like, you opened the medicine cabinet and looked through their shit? What a dick.
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LOL! No you jerk, they were on a shelf in plain sight. Actually right in field of vision as I was doing my business.

:p

I am fearful of somebody keeping marbles in their medicine cabinet and having them all crash to the floor when opening it.
 
method115 said:
I've known about these stats for a long time. Prescrition pills basicalyl destroyed my group of highschool friends.

- One of them who was my roomate was getting so bad I couldn't wake him up at times during the day. I had my daughter living with me so he needed to go and I told him when he stops taking them we can be friends again.

- Another one just recently robbed a pharmacy and then drove to CVS held people hostage took a bunch of vicodin and shot himself. A few days or a week before he killed someone else to but that was probably going to be ruled self defense. Oh he also robbed his parents before all of that.

- Another one has been in and out of jail but this guy was going to be a fuck up from the beginning regardless of pills or not.

- My ex got addicted lied to me constantly about where she was going (to get more pills) and eventually I gave up and broke up with her.

- My best friend's wife got addicted to them with my ex and ended up sleeping with some friend of the family and then sucking her ex's dick to get more pills. Luckily she quit and has been sober for years now. I still think my friend is stupid for staying with her but they seem to be doing great now. Other then his parents don't see him or the kids anymore they refuse to until she agrees to go to family therapy. Which I think is dumb but whatever.


Then we have this of coruse http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/
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Wow, that's incredible.

Also interesting the link in the end.

So often easy access to guns comes up as reason for the shootings, when perhaps the focus should be on mental healthcare just being totally insufficient by way of just dolling out pills as treatment.
 
NelmarksGhost said:
I have prescriptions for a sedative/hypnotic, and an anti-psychotic. They work. Keeps me from killin yall.
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How did you first know you had problems? And how quick were the doctors to give you the prescriptions, or was there a long process behind it all?
 
Dochter said:
I find it somewhat questionable to place this on some vague "modern society driving people past their ability to naturally cope" or even squarely on doctors. The former makes little sense given that we're actually in a massively safe and secure period of time in human history. The later works some, doctors have a responsibility for not prescribing unnecessary medications (e.g. antibiotics for the flu) but the AMA has actually tried to address this issue.

Instead, the massive use of drugs by people in the US has a very clear cause: massive advertising. Use of prescription drugs has skyrocketed since 1997 due to relaxation of advertising regulation. Watch any major sports event and you'll be bombarded by ads and, whether we want to admit it or not, these ads work. Advertising expenditures have outstripped R&D and the increase in these expenditures have been shown to have a direct impact on drug sales.
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I don't know if you read my follow up post to that issue of coping or not. But my general point is that while our safe and secure environment exists, we've compromised our health in other significant ways. Work stress (I don't think we're supposed to stay in the heightened stress state for those lengths of time but I haven't looked up the research in while), posture (there's plenty of current information on the need to get up and move on a regular basis), and the lack of sufficient exposure to sunlight (insufficient Vitamin D appears to be linked to depression) are, I think, relevant examples of how our health is massively suffering even in the face of increasing safety and security from the traditional concerns of malnutrition and violence.
 
CEROVFC said:
How did you first know you had problems? And how quick were the doctors to give you the prescriptions, or was there a long process behind it all?
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The counselor in my elementary school tried to prescribe me ritalin when I was in 1st grade. I believe it was after several meetings with my teacher and principal. My parents refused the school's request. I started counseling at 14, and I was never prescribed anything just therapy.

At 18 when I was in college a doctor prescribed me an antidepressant I believe. I was on one of those and/or maybe a anti-anxiety med for about 6 years. I was then hospitalized for awhile. After that it was still the same kind of stuff, but in the hospital they would shoot me up with a few different things. I think thorazine and something like xanax, but different.

Few years later they started with anti-psychotics, and finally added the sleeping pills. I guess they tried a shit load of other stuff too, but I won't try to make a list because it would be around 30 different things.

I guess I never thought that I had "problems". It wasn't until I was around 18 that I found most people didn't think the same type of thoughts as me. I don't think there's anything wrong with me. It's the rest of the world that can't hang.
 
The top 10 drugs by number of monthly prescriptions are:

  1. Synthroid, 22.6 million -thyroid
  2. Crestor, 22.5 million -cholesterol
  3. Nexium, 18.6 million -acid reflux
  4. Ventolin HFA, 17.5 million - asthma
  5. Advair Diskus, 15.0 million - asthma
  6. Diovan, 11.4 million - high blood pressure
  7. Lantus Solostar, 10.1 million - diabetes
  8. Cymbalta, 10.0 million - depression
  9. Vyvanse, 10.0 million - adhd
  10. Lyrica, 9.6 million - pain
list seems reasonable to me.

200k/yr dying per year is wrong. 40k including overdoses
 
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