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LeBron is is a better player than Jordan.
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lol Beri, weird you would forget about last season considering 2016 was the absolute peak of the Faps franch history
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i didnt forget. they finished 1 game higher than i thought they would.
The point still stands. The Heat didnt go from 4 straight finals to a 55 win team when LBJ left. They went straight to shambleland and now the lotto. Sure, other factors involved but when you flip side what Cleveland went from in wins and yoffs having him, to not having him to having him again.....
its an open n shut case. LBJ impact on his teams > Jordans on the bulls.
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No u moran. The Heat went from losing the Finals to a game away from the ECF without LeBrick (2015 obviously doesn't count, injuries and sabotage)
Cows went from WINNING the Finals to a game away from the ECF
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and the Cleveland side of things?? what excuses you got there??
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Canaliers didn't just get LeBitch back in 2014-15, they also reaped the rewards of multiple rigged draft lotteries
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so the NBA knew LBJ was going to go back and was rigging lottos for Cleveland years in advance??
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They probably weren't aware of LeBitch's long term plans (even if LeBitch was), but they obviously rigged a few lotteries to placate Gilberto after he completely lost his shit when LeBrick bolted for Miami
But I suppose Cleveland winning 3 lotteries in 4 years after LeBrick left was just a coincidence, just like New Orleans winning the lottery when the league was trying to sell the team was also just a coincidence
But I suppose Cleveland winning 3 lotteries in 4 years after LeBrick left was just a coincidence, just like New Orleans winning the lottery when the league was trying to sell the team was also just a coincidence
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well, shit. you always laugh at me for saying the Raps get f'd over via Ref rigging but now the NBA is going to these lengths to make owners of shit tier, small fanbase franchises happy??
where can Toronto sign up for that love??
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The interesting thing about Jordan's first retirement is it gave us an opportunity to see how good the Chicago Bulls were without him. In the 1992-1993 season the Bulls were 57-25 in the regular season and led by Jordan to a 3rd NBA Championship. In the 1993-994 season the Bulls 55-27 and lost in the semi-finals to the New York Knicks. So they were still a good team but no longer championship caliber. But look at how much more dominant they were with Jordan. After losing in the 1995 NBA Playoffs to the Orlando Magic the Bulls won 3 more championships with a record of 72-10 in the 1995-1996 season, 69-13 in the 1996-1997 season and 62-20 in the 1997-1998 season.
With Michael Jordan the Chicago Bulls were a near unstoppable force. Lebron James has never given that to his teams and the Miami Heat and Cleveland Cavaliers have good players too. Lebron James is definitely one of the greatest players in the history of Basketball. In comparison to Jordan they both have their strengths but when Jordan was at the top of his game his team always won championships when they were good enough to support him and Lebron's teams fell short several times.
Michael Jordan = 6 of 6 in NBA Finals
Lebron James = 3 of 7 in NBA Finals
That is the defining statistic. For you to make a credible argument for Lebron James being better he at the very least needs to win more championships.
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lol I just don't think the league has much of an interest in rigging meaningless early reg season games, although I'm sure it's happened. But everyone knows about the rigged lotteries dating back to the very first NBA draft lottery
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i feel ya. i dont really feel like its "Rigging" per say. its more subtle. get their ducks in a row during the reg season in terms of what teams/players get more calls etc. Where the $ is coming from.
basketball is just an easy game to rig, overall. On a play to play basis you can call a foul almost anytime if you really want to dig for it. In the yoffs the Raps wont be able to buy calls vs Cleveland, you can book that.
either way, i actually dont think LBJ is > Jordan but i do think you can argue for the impact he has made on his teams being >.
Thing is, most layman fans think being the best pure scorer = being the best overall basketball player. We both know that isnt true. Jordan was obv much more than just a pure scorer but that was undoubtedly his greatest gift and since LBJ cant come close in that category many ppl dismiss him unfairly rather quickly.
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Lebron carried those trashy heat teams and Jordan would instantly make teams better. that's what I got from this.
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Those Heat teams were really good without Lebron James and the Cavaliers are pretty good too. No player can win an NBA championship by themselves. They need good supporting players. It took Michael Jordan several years to win an NBA championship despite performing unbelievably well. He couldn't do it until the Bulls became a decent team. But Jordan was always a key ingredient to their success. The real take home message here is that Michael Jordan is simply a better player to lead your team to a championship than Lebron James.
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LBJ is much easier to surround with the right parts because his game is catered to making others look good.
He is the true team guy. MJ is a 1 man show who can take over and finish games. LBJ isnt nearly as good at that aspect which is why he falls short at times. He has to rely on others.
Once you get those right parts around MJ, i agree, he will come up clutch way more often but i do contend its a much harder task.
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Definitely not. I watched a shitload of Jordan playoff games because I wanted to have an actual opinion on this that I could back up... first of all, the game was totally different then than it is now. You can see it immediately, even though there was a 3-point line the idea was to get to the basket whereas today people take wayyy more 3's. People talking about LBJ taking the ball to the hoop have obviously never seen MJ - like, are you fucking kidding me? Every single game I watched the paint was packed, there were 3-4 people around the hoop and MJ would just go right by all of them and dunk and you'd just be like 'how the fuck did he do that?' LeBron doesn't have any moves like that. Yeah, he's big and strong but he has nothing compared to Jordan's agility. Every single game there was at least one moment where MJ did something that looked impossible, he just moved right past people in the paint like they weren't even there. LeBron can't do that. The paint is way more open today.
I feel like in today's NBA not only would MJ get more fouls, but he would just dunk every possession. I look at how empty the paint is today and I see MJ driving and getting points or to the line every single possession, considering that's what he did back then when the whole team surrounded the paint every single possession. Not to mention he would crush LBJ mentally. It wouldn't be close.
I feel like in today's NBA not only would MJ get more fouls, but he would just dunk every possession. I look at how empty the paint is today and I see MJ driving and getting points or to the line every single possession, considering that's what he did back then when the whole team surrounded the paint every single possession. Not to mention he would crush LBJ mentally. It wouldn't be close.
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Jordan missed the playoffs twice and lost in the first round 3 times(including 2 sweeps).
LeBron has missed the playoffs twice(although once was with a winning record), and has yet to lose in the first round.
Yes, Jordan was needed to push the bulls over the top(from 55 wins and a 2nd round exit to winning the chip)
But to even compare Cleveland and Miami without him to the Chicago teams without Jordan is RIDICULOUS. Let's face it: LeBron is worth 10+ regular season wins(giving Love some credit)
LeBron has missed the playoffs twice(although once was with a winning record), and has yet to lose in the first round.
Yes, Jordan was needed to push the bulls over the top(from 55 wins and a 2nd round exit to winning the chip)
But to even compare Cleveland and Miami without him to the Chicago teams without Jordan is RIDICULOUS. Let's face it: LeBron is worth 10+ regular season wins(giving Love some credit)
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LBJ is much easier to surround with the right parts because his game is catered to making others look good.
He is the true team guy. MJ is a 1 man show who can take over and finish games. LBJ isnt nearly as good at that aspect which is why he falls short at times. He has to rely on others.
Once you get those right parts around MJ, i agree, he will come up clutch way more often but i do contend its a much harder task.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said, Michael Jordan is simply the better player to have on your team. Do you want a player who can take over the game and make clutch plays or do you want a player who needs everyone around him to be really good just to win a few championships? James might help make his team better but Jordan is a true leader. At the end of the day owners want their team to win championships and every time Jordan made it to the NBA Finals his team won. Lebron not so much.
Lebron James had two fantastic players in Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh to help him win championships with the Heat and they still lost a few in the NBA Finals. Jordan had some decent players and Scottie Pippen help him plus a really great coach. I'm not saying the Miami Heat or Cleveland Cavaliers were better teams without Lebron James than the Chicago Bulls were without Michael Jordan I am simply saying that when Michael Jordan was at the top of his game his team was one of the best teams in NBA history who never lost an NBA Final and it was clearly mostly because of him. He couldn't do it without good support and no single player can but his participation made his team great.
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i think you think you agree but you dont.
as i said, Jordan is much harder to build around. Need real specialized pieces since he isnt a ball mover or real overall team concept guy.
how many series did Jordan win before Pippen came along?? Even when he did, took awhile before he got over the hump, in a watered down expansion heavy league of the 90s.
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The Chicago Bulls were one of the worst teams in the NBA when they got Jordan. They had to build a team around him. Jordan could have lead any decent team to an NBA championship because he is such a dominant player. Lebron James might help elevate the team he's on to play better but as their leader he doesn't take over the game like Jordan did. If I was an owner and had a choice in choosing to build a team around Michael Jordan or Lebron James I'm picking MJ every time. I want to win. If you look at stats Jordan is better in certain areas and James is better in certain areas. Jordan's strengths however lead to more wins. When you look at it from that perspective Michael Jordan is the better Basketball player. At the very least he is the better player to have on your team e.g. a leader who takes over the game and helps you win.
