Lay and pray will be solved when fighters become truly well rounded.

[HHJ]

Like Arona used knees sometimes, PRIDE allowed them.

But MOSTLY he just laid on guys like he did with Rampage.

So changing the rules doesnt means guys will become KO artists over night.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

How can you conclude it's the most effective martial art when so many rudimentary strikes are banned? You can't even up kick someone who has you in mount

Because it is. The rules may favor it but the rules are the rules and it makes wrestling a must know if you want to have any success at all today.

 

[Mike]

Like Arona used knees sometimes, PRIDE allowed them.

But MOSTLY he just laid on guys like he did with Rampage.

So changing the rules doesnt means guys will become KO artists over night.

Pride style knees to the head also woh't happen in american mma so it gets old discussing it. It's like when people get on their soapbox all "it would be cool if there were no guns in America!" Ok cool lmao that ain't never ever happening ever. Ever ever, ever. Why plan around how cool it would be if incredibly unlikely thing x happened?

I'd like to wake up 18 again, rich in 1998 next to a naked prime Monica Belucci but that ain't happening either and we all gotta learn to live with that reality.

 

[HHJ]

Pride style knees to the head also woh't happen in american mma so it gets old discussing it. It's like when people get on their soapbox all "it would be cool if there were no guns in America!" Ok cool lmao that ain't never ever happening ever. Ever ever, ever. Why plan around how cool it would be if incredibly unlikely thing x happened?

I'd like to wake up 18 again, rich in 1998 next to a prime Monica Belucci but that ain't happening either and we all gotta learn to live with that reality.

NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE IT AINT.



QUITTER

 

[Conan the K-9]

I don’t think Merab and Belal really lay and prayed to victory, lastly it was Valentina who did it.

I would welcome a rule change where the closed guard is a neutral position if the fighter inside the guard doesn’t advance or do some real damage. If the fighter who is on bottom doesn’t just keep the closed guard for dear life and is actually the one initiating the action, opening his/hers guard and attacking from the bottom wins the round. That could push some action to the ground game.

Sitting inside the guard is a totally different position than back control or even side control in terms of who can attack and finish the fight. Just being on top without doing nothing should not win the fight.

 

[The Siege]

Pride style knees to the head also woh't happen in american mma so it gets old discussing it. It's like when people get on their soapbox all "it would be cool if there were no guns in America!" Ok cool lmao that ain't never ever happening ever. Ever ever, ever. Why plan around how cool it would be if incredibly unlikely thing x happened?

I'd like to wake up 18 again, rich in 1998 next to a naked prime Monica Belucci but that ain't happening either and we all gotta learn to live with that reality.

Why isn't it ever going to happen in America? Genuine question.

It seems like MMA is not trying to be a sport in the image of the NFL or NBA, so who cares about the general public.

It's trying to mimic boxing from the round scoring to the PPV model. It's naturally going to filter out the people who don't like that kind of violence.

 

[Mike]

Why isn't it ever going to happen in America? Genuine question.

It seems like MMA is not trying to be a sport in the image of the NFL or NBA, so who cares about the general public.

It's trying to mimic boxing from the round scoring to the PPV model. It's naturally going to filter out the people who don't like that kind of violence.

Looks too brutal,.and that's it. It's not about what MMA fans would accept it's about what people that hate MMA or who are looking for an easy target in our overly political climate can politicize.

Nerds playing dungeons and dragons in their basement and listening to heavy metal in the 80s is infinitely less dangerous than getting kneed in the head but they still wanted to put people in prison for both as recently as back then.

It's an overly conservative country and people tend to forget that because it's changing rapidly.

 

[World eater]

Just don’t give bonuses to fighters that don’t try to finish a fight. Eventually, most will at least try because of the money. That’s how it’s done in most companies to motivate people towards the goal you want.

 

[HHJ]

Just don’t give bonuses to fighters that don’t try to finish a fight. Eventually, most will at least try because of the money. That’s how it’s done in most companies to motivate people towards the goal you want.

It wont work.

Guys like Evloev, Mokaev and Merab, that is just generally what they do and no rules or incentives will change them.

 

[Mike]

It wont work.

Guys like Evloev, Mokaev and Merab, that is just generally what they do and no rules or incentives will change them.

We've had a long time now to see this play out. Since the Fitch days we've seen people complain about this. That's nearly 20 years.

 

[wildchild88]

It can improve. But someone has to be the better wrestler.

Sure, but that's what the sport is about, testing martial artists against eachother in the purest competitive environment possible (while maintaining a degree of safety and sustainability).

May the best martial artist win.

 

[wildchild88]

disagree, the quality of wrestling training in 90% of these camps is no where near what these dagestanis are doing. if anything you'll see more NCAA types come through the UFC program, but i think wresting quality is the most hardest skill set to improve and 90% of future generations will still be just as clueless. it's not just some random technique and two-steps that changes everything, it's a totally different grind.

In 1993, no mma fighters were training in Thailand. Things change, AKA has developed a strong wrestling culture in its camp due to DC and Khabib / Islam. Other camps will follow suite as times moves on.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I’m with the pride rules idea

It would be interesting to see our current mma strikers have knees.. like I wonder if they’d be very good with them? They certainly haven’t been drilling them as it’ll get em DQ ‘d

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

In 1993, no mma fighters were training in Thailand. Things change, AKA has developed a strong wrestling culture in its camp due to DC and Khabib / Islam. Other camps will follow suite as times moves on.

Things do change, but the majority of MMA fighters will never ever be able to defend dagestani wrestling, if they aren't actually there, training, with the people doing it. AKA has lots of terrible wrestlers too.

 

[GiganticMeat]

Pride style knees to the head also woh't happen in american mma so it gets old discussing it. It's like when people get on their soapbox all "it would be cool if there were no guns in America!" Ok cool lmao that ain't never ever happening ever. Ever ever, ever. Why plan around how cool it would be if incredibly unlikely thing x happened?

I'd like to wake up 18 again, rich in 1998 next to a naked prime Monica Belucci but that ain't happening either and we all gotta learn to live with that reality.

So it did happen. And speaking up about it at least helps more than doing nothing and accepting it. What will really do it is just more boring fights, sadly

I read a bit further into it. There's opposition from some clown that runs the American Boxing Committee or whatever, because he wants to see studies that show "knees to the head of a grounded opponent is safer." That's a direct quote. Think about that for a second. Why isn't he asking for studies that show MMA without punches to the head is safer? Or studies that show MMA without submissions is safer?

"In fact, if the executive director in Colorado has any medical documentation or studies that show ‘knees to the head of a grounded opponent is safer,’ he should share the information with the ABC."

So this goof, that approves and runs a sport where they literally send concussed people back out to die, really said this. It's because he doesn't believe it one bit. Maybe it's to keep MMA in this subverted state? Who knows. Hoping he retires soon, or is retired.

To knee or not to knee? ABC, Colorado at odds over ONE Championship's ruleset being used in U.S.

To knee or not to knee? That is the question the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports and the Colorado Combative Sports Commission disagree on. The ABC is not pleased with the Global Rule Set being used for ONE Championship's first event in the U.S. –…

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

"The liability that the State of Colorado is incurring with this rule amendment is staggering."

Somebody applaud this guy for his boiler plate MBA and then flush it down the toilet, please

 

[World eater]

It wont work.

Guys like Evloev, Mokaev and Merab, that is just generally what they do and no rules or incentives will change them.

Obviously, it is not a perfect solution and doesn’t work always. However, over time, it produces results. There are always those who don’t care, employees satisfied with the bare minimum, but with most others it does. Peer pressure and all that. However, in order for it to work properly, it requires transparency and a honest approach - not UFC’s style. The other way is doing it the shady way, just as they do by protecting certain fighters, which is cancerous in the long run.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I don't think PRIDE rules would make as much of a difference as people think. It's not like wrestlers don't win in ONE.

 

[wildchild88]

Things do change, but the majority of MMA fighters will never ever be able to defend dagestani wrestling, if they aren't actually there, training, with the people doing it. AKA has lots of terrible wrestlers too.

There are plenty of other good wrestling countries in eastern Europe and around the world that knowledge can be drawn from.

Nothing in mma has remained static there is always an evolution / an answer.

 

[wildchild88]

I don't think PRIDE rules would make as much of a difference as people think. It's not like wrestlers don't win in ONE.

I am a PRIDE nut hugger, but there were plenty of boring matches in PRIDE, with uneventful grappling exchanges..

 

[GiganticMeat]

Like Arona used knees sometimes, PRIDE allowed them.

But MOSTLY he just laid on guys like he did with Rampage.

So changing the rules doesnt means guys will become KO artists over night.

I don't think PRIDE rules would make as much of a difference as people think. It's not like wrestlers don't win in ONE.

1. That's alright, really. They weren't afraid to stand guys up if it got too blatant, so that helped. (Also, yellow cards. Probably not necessary. We have timidity as a foul for extreme cases under unified rules, whether that leads to a point deduction or DQ or what, it's rarely used)

2. Any change in the right direction is better than no change. Elbow rule is changing... Times are changing.

3. Wrestlers winning is fine, not an issue. Wrestling puts one in a great position to finish the fight in a variety of ways