Lay and pray will be solved when fighters become truly well rounded.

[wildchild88]

The sports' rules are pure as it is, we don't want to mess with them to favour striking it will dilute the quality of the sport / art of mma. We want to see a fair playing field between strikers and grapplers.

In the future, all fighters will need to have quality defensive and offensive wrestling to counter act Caucas-style wrestling if they want to be elite competitors. So the sport will evolve so that fighters are able to counter act lay n pray / conservative wrestling approaches, until then we just have to be patient.

Honestly lay and pray hasn't been a massive talking point until Belal and Merab won, trends like these happen in ebbs and flows.. be patient.

 

[Get To Da Choppa]

Honestly lay and pray hasn't been a massive talking point until Belal and Merab won,

Did you forget the human blanket that was Jon Fitch?

I say let's do it Pride style. If a wrestler is truly dominant he can finish fights. If there's a sloppy takedown attempt then the wrestler gets punished with knees to the head on a sprawl

 

[HHJ]

No it wont.

Some guys are just too good at wrestling and will be able to dominate most if not all the people he wrestles, because as Frankie The Answer Edgar once said, There's levels to this shit.

 

[Copper Burner]

The sport has evolved already. There's plenty of evenly skilled well rounded fighters competing on every card. Rarely do you see a high level stylistic matchup like Omalley vs Merab. I personally enjoy these types of fights from time to time.

 

[Spacebadger]

Nope the cookie cutter lay and pray will be solved once Merab grows a pair of balls and fight Umar, Khabib will taylor a specific gameplan to fight it off and everyone can copy from it.

 

[wildchild88]

Did you forget the human blanket that was Jon Fitch?

I say let's do it Pride style. If a wrestler is truly dominant he can finish fights. If there's a sloppy takedown attempt then the wrestler gets punished with knees to the head on a sprawl

You're proving my point, there has barely been another John Fitch in recent years, until now. The fighters will adjust, there have been many exciting fights in recent years.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Did you forget the human blanket that was Jon Fitch?

I say let's do it Pride style. If a wrestler is truly dominant he can finish fights. If there's a sloppy takedown attempt then the wrestler gets punished with knees to the head on a sprawl

After all an Anaconda cares little for how long it takes.
It just cares to see you dead and Jon Fitch would have killed a lot of people that way given the option.

 

[Neck&Neck]

It will never be “solved” unless they change the rules

 

[wildchild88]

No it wont.

Some guys are just too good at wrestling and will be able to dominate most if not all the people he wrestles, because as Frankie The Answer Edgar once said, There's levels to this shit.

Wrestling quality will improve across the board in future generations, that's just a fact. The Caucas-style wrestling dominance won't pervade forever, it's just a trend on the way to the next thing.

 

[wildchild88]

It will never be “solved” unless they change the rules

Well if they change the rules for grapplers they need to change it for strikers too.. how many boring striking matches have we seem in recent years? Staring matches like Izzy vs Romero.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

The sports' rules are pure as it is, we don't want to mess with them to favour striking it will dilute the quality of the sport / art of mma. We want to see a fair playing field between strikers and grapplers.

In the future, all fighters will need to have quality defensive and offensive wrestling to counter act Caucas-style wrestling if they want to be elite competitors. So the sport will evolve so that fighters are able to counter act lay n pray / conservative wrestling approaches, until then we just have to be patient.

Honestly lay and pray hasn't been a massive talking point until Belal and Merab won, trends like these happen in ebbs and flows.. be patient.

Merab and Belal didnt even lay and pray to win though... neither title win could be classified as lay and pray lol ..

I agree the rules are perfectly fine ..fighters need to get back to innovating and becoming well rounded mixed martial artists , instead of cookie cutter calf kick body body head generalist MMA taught massive gyms...

The whole point of Martial arts and Mixed martial arts is there is always an answer...you can always find a way to beat your opponent...the options are almost unlimited

 

[wildchild88]

Merab and Belal didnt even lay and pray to win though... neither title win could be classified as lay and pray lol ..

I agree the rules are perfectly fine ..fighters need to get back to innovating and becoming well rounded mixed martial artists , instead of cookie cutter calf kick body body head generalist MMA taught massive gyms...

The whole point of Martial arts and Mixed martial arts is there is always an answer...you can always find a way to beat your opponent...the options are almost unlimited

I'm just using lay n pray as a term to describe conservative wrestling control (it's easier for the idiots). You could argue that Merab and Valentina both employed this strategy to win.

But yes we're in total agreeance, and you articulated why much better than I did.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

You can only master so many things. It’s hard to compete with guys who have been training high level wrestling since birth and still be able to do other things too.

Wrestling is the most effective martial art. In order to defend against an elite wrestler, you basically need to be one yourself.

 

[HHJ]

Wrestling quality will improve across the board in future generations, that's just a fact. The Caucas-style wrestling dominance won't pervade forever, it's just a trend on the way to the next thing.

It can improve. But someone has to be the better wrestler.

 

[GiganticMeat]

Well if they change the rules for grapplers they need to change it for strikers too.. how many boring striking matches have we seem in recent years? Staring matches like Izzy vs Romero.

In what way? I support removing round breaks but I have a feeling that won't fly. Knees to the head is a rule that benefits grapplers more, isn't it? I think most people (me included) just want to see them do something besides hold the opponent down.

 

[GiganticMeat]

You can only master so many things. It’s hard to compete with guys who have been training high level wrestling since birth and still be able to do other things too.

Wrestling is the most effective martial art. In order to defend against an elite wrestler, you basically need to be one yourself.

How can you conclude it's the most effective martial art when so many rudimentary strikes are banned? You can't even up kick someone who has you in mount

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

sometimes you're just fucking stuck. and that's an indication of lack of ground skills, some sort of weakness.

lay and pray > wall and stall

 

[HHJ]

Knees to the head is a rule that benefits grapplers more, isn't it?

It can work both ways. It makes it unsafe for the kind of hendricks style wrestlers who grab the legs and just hang out and stall against the cage like he did with Lawler


Or Schenanigans actors like Sterling

 

[Mike]

No it wont.

Some guys are just too good at wrestling and will be able to dominate most if not all the people he wrestles, because as Frankie The Answer Edgar once said, There's levels to this shit.

Yeah unless the rule set is changed in a very drastic way wrestlers will always just lay on people to win sometimes. It is what it is.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Wrestling quality will improve across the board in future generations, that's just a fact. The Caucas-style wrestling dominance won't pervade forever, it's just a trend on the way to the next thing.

disagree, the quality of wrestling training in 90% of these camps is no where near what these dagestanis are doing. if anything you'll see more NCAA types come through the UFC program, but i think wresting quality is the most hardest skill set to improve and 90% of future generations will still be just as clueless. it's not just some random technique and two-steps that changes everything, it's a totally different grind.